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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com>,
	Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, jmorris@namei.org,
	serge@hallyn.com, keescook@chromium.org,
	john.johansen@canonical.com, penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp,
	stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mic@digikod.net, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v39 01/42] integrity: disassociate ima_filter_rule from security_audit_rule
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:16:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d346199f-276f-4893-b09d-81a542e35741@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhTFOLeoQjXk_fMq8NDoG69wU5KV=Db7m20V02bto6NHNg@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/24/2024 4:05 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 6:19 PM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
>> On 6/24/2024 3:03 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 9:57 AM Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2024-06-24 at 10:45 +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>>>> My only comment would be that I would not call the new functions with
>>>>> the ima_ prefix, being those in security.c, which is LSM agnostic, but
>>>>> I would rather use a name that more resembles the differences, if any.
>>>> Commit 4af4662fa4a9 ("integrity: IMA policy") originally referred to these hooks
>>>> as security_filter_rule_XXXX, but commit b8867eedcf76 ("ima: Rename internal
>>>> filter rule functions") renamed the function to ima_filter_rule_XXX) to avoid
>>>> security namespace polution.
>>>>
>>>> If these were regular security hooks, the hooks would be named:
>>>> filter_rule_init, filter_rule_free, filter_rule_match with the matching
>>>> "security" prefix functions. Audit and IMA would then register the hooks.
>>>>
>>>> I agree these functions should probably be renamed again, probably to
>>>> security_ima_filter_rule_XXXX.
>>> It's funny, my mind saw that the patch was removing those preprocessor
>>> macros and was so happy it must have shut off, because we already have
>>> security_XXX functions for these :)
>>>
>>> See security_audit_rule_init(), security_audit_rule_free(), and
>>> security_audit_rule_match().
>>>
>>> Casey, do you want to respin this patch to use the existing LSM
>>> functions?
>> If you want to use shared functions they shouldn't be security_audit_blah().
>> I like Mimi's suggestion. Rename security_audit_filter_rule_init() to
>> security_filter_rule_init() and use that in both places.
> They are currently shared, the preprocessor macros just hide that fact
> (which is not a good thing, IMO).  Renaming the existing LSM functions
> to drop the "audit" in the name doesn't really solve the problem as
> you still end up with "Audit_equal", etc. constants (which are awful
> for multiple reasons, some having nothing to do with the LSM) in the
> callers.
>
> .. and let me just get ahead of this, please do not do a macro-based
> rename of "Audit_equal" to something else to "fix" that problem;
> that's just as bad as what we have now.

Agreed.

> Properly fixing this may be worthwhile, but I think it's an
> unnecessary distraction at this point from improving that state of
> multiple LSMs.  If you aren't comfortable submitting a patch that just
> does a "/ima_filter_rule_match/security_audit_rule_match/" style
> rename, or if Mimi and Roberto aren't supportive of that, you might as
> well just drop this from the patchset.

There was a time (long ago by now) when the stacking patches really needed
the functions to be different. They don't now. I'd be perfectly happy with
dropping this patch from the set.

>
> --
> paul-moore.com
>

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-24 23:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20231215221636.105680-1-casey.ref@schaufler-ca.com>
2023-12-15 22:15 ` [PATCH v39 00/42] LSM: General module stacking Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:15   ` [PATCH v39 01/42] integrity: disassociate ima_filter_rule from security_audit_rule Casey Schaufler
2024-03-06  9:54     ` Roberto Sassu
2024-03-06 16:56       ` Casey Schaufler
2024-03-07  7:56         ` Roberto Sassu
2024-06-21 16:50     ` Paul Moore
2024-06-21 19:07       ` Paul Moore
2024-06-21 20:23         ` Mimi Zohar
2024-06-21 20:34           ` Roberto Sassu
2024-06-21 21:19             ` Paul Moore
2024-06-24  8:45               ` Roberto Sassu
2024-06-24 13:57                 ` Mimi Zohar
2024-06-24 22:03                   ` Paul Moore
2024-06-24 22:19                     ` Casey Schaufler
2024-06-24 23:05                       ` Paul Moore
2024-06-24 23:16                         ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2024-06-24 23:06                       ` Mimi Zohar
2024-06-21 21:18           ` Paul Moore
2024-06-24 13:58     ` Mimi Zohar
2023-12-15 22:15   ` [PATCH v39 02/42] SM: Infrastructure management of the sock security Casey Schaufler
2024-06-21 20:31     ` Paul Moore
2024-06-21 22:24       ` Casey Schaufler
2024-06-23 19:57         ` Paul Moore
2024-06-24 22:07       ` Paul Moore
2023-12-15 22:15   ` [PATCH v39 03/42] LSM: Add the lsmblob data structure Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:15   ` [PATCH v39 04/42] IMA: avoid label collisions with stacked LSMs Casey Schaufler
2024-03-06 10:09     ` Roberto Sassu
2024-03-06 17:04       ` Casey Schaufler
2024-03-07  8:15         ` Roberto Sassu
2024-03-07 17:36           ` Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:15   ` [PATCH v39 05/42] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_audit_rule_match Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 06/42] LSM: Add lsmblob_to_secctx hook Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 07/42] Audit: maintain an lsmblob in audit_context Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 08/42] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_ipc_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 09/42] Audit: Update shutdown LSM data Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 10/42] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_current_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 11/42] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_inode_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 12/42] Audit: use an lsmblob in audit_names Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 13/42] LSM: Create new security_cred_getlsmblob LSM hook Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 14/42] Audit: Change context data from secid to lsmblob Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 15/42] Netlabel: Use lsmblob for audit data Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 16/42] LSM: Ensure the correct LSM context releaser Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 17/42] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_secid_to_secctx Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 18/42] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_lsmblob_to_secctx Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 19/42] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_inode_getsecctx Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 20/42] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_dentry_init_security Casey Schaufler
2023-12-18  2:50     ` Xiubo Li
2023-12-18 16:55       ` Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 21/42] LSM: security_lsmblob_to_secctx module selection Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 22/42] Audit: Create audit_stamp structure Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 23/42] Audit: Allow multiple records in an audit_buffer Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 24/42] Audit: Add record for multiple task security contexts Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 25/42] audit: multiple subject lsm values for netlabel Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 26/42] Audit: Add record for multiple object contexts Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 27/42] LSM: Remove unused lsmcontext_init() Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 28/42] LSM: Improve logic in security_getprocattr Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 29/42] LSM: secctx provider check on release Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 30/42] LSM: Single calls in socket_getpeersec hooks Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 31/42] LSM: Exclusive secmark usage Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 32/42] LSM: Identify which LSM handles the context string Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 33/42] AppArmor: Remove the exclusive flag Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 34/42] LSM: Add mount opts blob size tracking Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 35/42] LSM: allocate mnt_opts blobs instead of module specific data Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 36/42] LSM: Infrastructure management of the key security blob Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 37/42] LSM: Infrastructure management of the mnt_opts " Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 38/42] LSM: Correct handling of ENOSYS in inode_setxattr Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 39/42] LSM: Remove lsmblob scaffolding Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 40/42] LSM: Allow reservation of netlabel Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 41/42] LSM: restrict security_cred_getsecid() to a single LSM Casey Schaufler
2023-12-15 22:16   ` [PATCH v39 42/42] Smack: Remove LSM_FLAG_EXCLUSIVE Casey Schaufler
2023-12-18  2:18     ` Leesoo Ahn
2024-02-02  0:24   ` [PATCH v39 00/42] LSM: General module stacking John Johansen

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