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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 18.02.25 17:49, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 05:27:24PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote: >> On 18.02.25 17:21, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 05:17:20PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>> On 18.02.25 17:12, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 05:01:16PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>>>> On 13.02.25 19:17, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: >>>>>>> There is no reason to disallow guard regions in file-backed mappings - >>>>>>> readahead and fault-around both function correctly in the presence of PTE >>>>>>> markers, equally other operations relating to memory-mapped files function >>>>>>> correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Additionally, read-only mappings if introducing guard-regions, only >>>>>>> restrict the mapping further, which means there is no violation of any >>>>>>> access rights by permitting this to be so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Removing this restriction allows for read-only mapped files (such as >>>>>>> executable files) correctly which would otherwise not be permitted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> mm/madvise.c | 8 +------- >>>>>>> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 7 deletions(-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> diff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c >>>>>>> index 6ecead476a80..e01e93e179a8 100644 >>>>>>> --- a/mm/madvise.c >>>>>>> +++ b/mm/madvise.c >>>>>>> @@ -1051,13 +1051,7 @@ static bool is_valid_guard_vma(struct vm_area_struct *vma, bool allow_locked) >>>>>>> if (!allow_locked) >>>>>>> disallowed |= VM_LOCKED; >>>>>>> - if (!vma_is_anonymous(vma)) >>>>>>> - return false; >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> - if ((vma->vm_flags & (VM_MAYWRITE | disallowed)) != VM_MAYWRITE) >>>>>>> - return false; >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> - return true; >>>>>>> + return !(vma->vm_flags & disallowed); >>>>>>> } >>>>>>> static bool is_guard_pte_marker(pte_t ptent) >>>>>> >>>>>> Acked-by: David Hildenbrand >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I assume these markers cannot completely prevent us from allocating >>>>>> pages/folios for these underlying file/pageache ranges of these markers in >>>>>> case of shmem during page faults, right? >>>>> >>>>> If the markers are in place, then page faulting will result in a >>>>> segfault. If we faulted in a shmem page then installed markers (which would >>>>> zap the range), then the page cache will be populated, but obviously >>>>> subject to standard reclaim. >>>> >>>> Well, yes, (a) if there is swap and (b), if the noswap option was not >>>> specified for tmpfs. >>>> >>> >>> Right, yeah if you don't have it set up such that dropping a reference to the >>> folio doesn't drop the page altogether. >>> >>> I think this matches expectation though in that you'd get the same results from >>> an MADV_DONTNEED followed by faulting the page again. >> >> It might make sense to document that: installing a guard behaves just like >> MADV_DONTNEED; in case of a file, that means that the pagecache is left >> untouched. > > More docs noooo! :P I will update the man pages when this is more obviously > heading for landing in 6.15 accordingly. > > Current man page documentation on this is: > > 'If the region maps memory pages those mappings will be replaced as part of > the operation' > > I think something like: > > 'If the region maps pages those mappings will be replaced as part of the > operation. When guard regions are removed via MADV_GUARD_REMOVE, faulting > in the page will behave as if that region had MADV_DONTNEED applied to it, > that is anonymous ranges will be backed by newly allocated zeroed pages and > file-backed ranges will be backed by the underlying file pages.' > > Probably something less wordy than this... Yeah, but sounds good to me. > >> >>> >>>> Okay, so installing a guard entry might require punshing a hole to get rid >>>> of any already-existing memory. But readahead (below) might mess it up. >>> >>> Only if you are so concerned about avoiding the page cache being populated there >>> that you want to do this :) >>> >>> Readahead I think will not readahead into a holepunched region as the hole >>> punching extends to the fs layer _I believe_ I have not checked the code for >>> this, but I believe it actually changes the underlying file too right to say >>> 'this part of the file is empty'? >> >> Well, we are talking about shmem here ... not your ordinary fs backed by an >> actual file :) > > I am talking about both, I multitask ;) For !shmem, we should indeed not be messing with a sparse file structure. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb