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From: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: arighi@nvidia.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
	mingo@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, segall@google.com,
	mgorman@suse.de, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	sudeep.holla@arm.com, rafael@kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com, kobak@nvidia.com, fabecassis@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][RFT][PATCH 0/3] arm64: Enable asympacking for minor CPPC asymmetry
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2026 08:16:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d40e57e0-aeff-45fb-82c0-6cefc4f4899d@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtAOd2+e1Wyy1uhCzLANh9-KJpR5zc_RSSt+dQvHHxhmMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/26/26 07:53, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2026 at 19:13, Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com> wrote:
>>
>> The scheduler currently handles CPU performance asymmetry via either:
>>
>> - SD_ASYM_PACKING: simple priority-based task placement (x86 ITMT)
>> - SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY: capacity-aware scheduling
>>
>> On arm64, capacity-aware scheduling is used for any detected capacity
>> differences.
>>
>> Some systems expose small per-CPU performance differences via CPPC
>> highest_perf (e.g. due to chip binning), resulting in slightly different
>> capacities (<~5%). These differences are sufficient to trigger
>> SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY, even though the system is otherwise effectively
>> symmetric.
>>
>> For such small deltas, capacity-aware scheduling is unnecessarily
>> complex. A simpler priority-based approach, similar to x86 ITMT, is
>> sufficient.
> 
> I'm not convinced that moving to  SD_ASYM_PACKING is the right way to
> move forward.
> t
> 1st of all, do you target all kind of system or only SMT? It's not
> clear in your cover letter

AFAIK only Andrea has access to an unreleased asymmetric SMT system,
I haven't done any tests on such a system (as the cover-letter mentions
under RFT section).

> 
> Moving on asym pack for !SMT doesn't make sense to me. If you don't
> want EAS enabled, you can disable it with
> /proc/sys/kernel/sched_energy_aware

Sorry, what's EAS got to do with it? The system I care about here
(primarily nvidia grace) has no EM.

> 
> For SMT system and small capacity difference, I would prefer that we
> look at supporting SMT in SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY. Starting with
> select_idle_capacity

This series is actually targeted for primarily the !SMT case, although
it may or may not be useful for some of the SMT woes, too!
(Again, I wouldn't know, I don't have such a system to test with)

>[snip]

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-26  8:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-25 18:13 Christian Loehle
2026-03-25 18:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched/topology: Introduce arch hooks for asympacking Christian Loehle
2026-03-26 13:23   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-26 15:26   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-26 16:40   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-25 18:13 ` [PATCH 2/3] arch_topology: Export CPPC-based asympacking prios Christian Loehle
2026-03-25 18:13 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64/sched: Enable CPPC-based asympacking Christian Loehle
2026-03-26 15:47   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-26 15:47   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-27 15:44   ` Valentin Schneider
2026-03-29 17:49     ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-26  7:53 ` [RFC][RFT][PATCH 0/3] arm64: Enable asympacking for minor CPPC asymmetry Vincent Guittot
2026-03-26  8:16   ` Christian Loehle [this message]
2026-03-26  8:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2026-03-26  9:24       ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-26 13:04         ` Vincent Guittot
2026-03-26 13:45           ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-26 15:55             ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-26 16:00               ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-27  9:53               ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-26  8:20   ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-26  8:11 ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-26  8:20   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-03-26  9:15     ` Andrea Righi

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