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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Carlier <devnexen@gmail.com>,
	Heechan Kang <gganji11@naver.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Michael Bommarito <michael.bommarito@gmail.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] userfaultfd: snapshot VMA state across UFFDIO_COPY retry
Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 16:38:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d48f558c-1bed-44d5-bbf6-34782ebf18f2@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag3BNLU1b6p9u_6K@kernel.org>

On 5/20/26 16:12, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 03:48:02PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 5/20/26 14:53, Mike Rapoport wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you mean per-VMA?
>>> Per-MM counter would capture unrelated changes, e.g. an masvise() for
>>> unrelated range.
>>
>> I was thinking about a per-MM thing for simplicity. If there were any changes,
>> we'd retry (-EAGAIN).
>>
>> IOW, something like &mm->mm_lock_seq, which we have for per-vma locks already.
>>
>> Not sure if unrelated changes would really be a problem in practice (another
>> thread gabbing the mmap_lock in write mode until we serviced the fault).
> 
> Let me reiterate:
> 
> A thread doing UFFDIO_COPY releases the VMA in mfill_copy_folio_retry(),
> re-gets the VMA and checks if the per-MM counter stayed the same.
> 
> If another thread makes any change to VMA while mfill_copy_folio_retry()
> waits to re-get the VMA, the counter would be incremented by another
> thread. mfill_copy_folio_retry() will see the change after mfill_get_vma()
> and will bail out with -EAGAIN.
> 

Yeah.

> So if another thread does, e.g. MADV_DONTFORK on completely unrelated VMA,
> mfill_copy_folio_retry() will return -EAGAIN and I'm not sure we'll not
> break the existing userspace by this.

Ah, you mean that -EAGAIN would not be handled by user space already even though
documented in the man page ... because it relies on -EAGAIN not happening in
specific situations (i.e., copying a single page).

That's very likely true and we'd have to retry internally, which makes it more
complicated indeed.

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-20 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-19  5:25 Mike Rapoport
2026-05-19  5:36 ` David CARLIER
2026-05-20 12:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-05-20 11:09 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-20 12:53   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-05-20 13:48     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-20 14:03       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 15:23         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-20 14:12       ` Mike Rapoport
2026-05-20 14:38         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-05-25 17:12           ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-05-26 12:47             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-26 15:25               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-26 19:06                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-05-26 15:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-26 17:30   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-05-27 16:08     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 19:01       ` Mike Rapoport

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