From: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
To: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
seanjc@google.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/17] sched/docs: Document cpu_paravirt_mask and Paravirt CPU concept
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 20:24:13 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d6fb199e-fdba-4583-8229-6e6834a85a1b@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251119214857.9436-1-hdanton@sina.com>
On 11/20/25 3:18 AM, Hillf Danton wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2025 18:14:33 +0530 Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
>> Add documentation for new cpumask called cpu_paravirt_mask. This could
>> help users in understanding what this mask and the concept behind it.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
>> ---
>> Documentation/scheduler/sched-arch.rst | 37 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 1 file changed, 37 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/scheduler/sched-arch.rst b/Documentation/scheduler/sched-arch.rst
>> index ed07efea7d02..6972c295013d 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/scheduler/sched-arch.rst
>> +++ b/Documentation/scheduler/sched-arch.rst
>> @@ -62,6 +62,43 @@ Your cpu_idle routines need to obey the following rules:
>> arch/x86/kernel/process.c has examples of both polling and
>> sleeping idle functions.
>>
>> +Paravirt CPUs
>> +=============
>> +
>> +Under virtualised environments it is possible to overcommit CPU resources.
>> +i.e sum of virtual CPU(vCPU) of all VM's is greater than number of physical
>> +CPUs(pCPU). Under such conditions when all or many VM's have high utilization,
>> +hypervisor won't be able to satisfy the CPU requirement and has to context
>> +switch within or across VM. i.e hypervisor need to preempt one vCPU to run
>> +another. This is called vCPU preemption. This is more expensive compared to
>> +task context switch within a vCPU.
>> +
> What is missing is
> 1) vCPU preemption is X% more expensive compared to task context switch within a vCPU.
>
This would change from arch to arch IMO. Will try to get numbers from PowerVM hypervisor.
>> +In such cases it is better that VM's co-ordinate among themselves and ask for
>> +less CPU by not using some of the vCPUs. Such vCPUs where workload can be
>> +avoided at the moment for less vCPU preemption are called as "Paravirt CPUs".
>> +Note that when the pCPU contention goes away, these vCPUs can be used again
>> +by the workload.
>> +
> 2) given X, how to work out Y, the number of Paravirt CPUs for the simple
> scenario like 8 pCPUs and 16 vCPUs (8 vCPUs from VM1, 8 vCPUs from VM2)?
>
Y need not be dependent on X. Note CPUs are marked as paravirt only when both VM's
end up consuming all the CPU resource.
Different cases:
1. VM1 is idle and VM2 is idle - No vCPUs are marked as paravirt.
2. VM1 is 100% busy and VM2 is idle - No steal time seen - No vCPUs is marked as paravirt.
3. VM1 is idle and VM2 is 100% busy - No steal time seen - No vCPUs is marked as paravirt.
4. VM1 is 100% busy and VM2 is 100% busy - 50% steal time would be seen in each -
Since there are only 8 pCPUs (assuming each VM1 is allocated equally), 4 vCPUs in
each VM will be marked as paravirt. Workload consolidates to remaining 4 vCPUs and
hence no steal time will seen. Benefit would seen since host doesn't need to change
expensive VM context switches.
>> +Arch need to set/unset the specific vCPU in cpu_paravirt_mask. When set, avoid
>> +that vCPU and when unset, use it as usual.
>> +
>> +Scheduler will try to avoid paravirt vCPUs as much as it can.
>> +This is achieved by
>> +1. Not selecting paravirt CPU at wakeup.
>> +2. Push the task away from paravirt CPU at tick.
>> +3. Not selecting paravirt CPU at load balance.
>> +
>> +This works only for SCHED_RT and SCHED_NORMAL. SCHED_EXT and userspace can make
>> +choices accordingly using cpu_paravirt_mask.
>> +
>> +/sys/devices/system/cpu/paravirt prints the current cpu_paravirt_mask in
>> +cpulist format.
>> +
>> +Notes:
>> +1. A task pinned only on paravirt CPUs will continue to run there.
>> +2. This feature is available under CONFIG_PARAVIRT
>> +3. Refer to PowerPC for architecure implementation side.
>> +4. Doesn't push out any task running on isolated CPUs.
>>
>> Possible arch/ problems
>> =======================
>> --
>> 2.47.3
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-20 14:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-19 12:44 [PATCH 00/17] Paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 01/17] sched/docs: Document cpu_paravirt_mask and Paravirt CPU concept Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 21:48 ` Hillf Danton
2025-11-20 14:54 ` Shrikanth Hegde [this message]
2025-11-20 22:56 ` Hillf Danton
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 02/17] cpumask: Introduce cpu_paravirt_mask Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 03/17] sched/core: Dont allow to use CPU marked as paravirt Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 04/17] sched/debug: Remove unused schedstats Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 05/17] sched/fair: Add paravirt movements for proc sched file Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 06/17] sched/fair: Pass current cpu in select_idle_sibling Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 07/17] sched/fair: Don't consider paravirt CPUs for wakeup and load balance Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 08/17] sched/rt: Don't select paravirt CPU for wakeup and push/pull rt task Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 09/17] sched/core: Add support for nohz_full CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-21 3:16 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-11-21 4:40 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-24 4:36 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 10/17] sched/core: Push current task from paravirt CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 11/17] sysfs: Add paravirt CPU file Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 12/17] powerpc: method to initialize ec and vp cores Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-21 8:29 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-21 10:14 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 13/17] powerpc: enable/disable paravirt CPUs based on steal time Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 14/17] powerpc: process steal values at fixed intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 15/17] powerpc: add debugfs file for controlling handling on steal values Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 16/17] sysfs: Provide write method for paravirt Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-24 17:04 ` Greg KH
2025-11-24 17:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-25 2:49 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-25 15:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-25 16:02 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-11-25 16:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 17/17] sysfs: disable arch handling if paravirt file being written Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-24 17:05 ` [PATCH 00/17] Paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption Greg KH
2025-11-25 2:39 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-25 7:48 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-11-25 8:48 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-27 10:44 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-04 13:28 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-12-05 5:30 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-15 17:39 ` Yury Norov
2025-12-18 5:22 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-08 4:47 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-08 9:57 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-08 17:58 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-03-26 6:11 ` Shrikanth Hegde
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