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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/13] mm/munlock: page migration needs mlock pagevec drained
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 21:34:48 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d74f2610-2595-cc51-5a35-dc037c23a28@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f9960727-d061-8856-45ce-4e33e8ed1de6@suse.cz>

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 2/6/22 22:49, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > 
> > Any new pagevec runs the risk of adding a new way of stranding, and we
> > might discover other corners where mlock_page_drain() or lru_add_drain()
> > would now help.  If the mlock pagevec raises doubts, we can easily add a
> > sysctl to tune its length to 1, which reverts to synchronous operation.
> 
> Not a fan of adding new sysctls like those as that just pushes the failure
> of kernel devs to poor admins :)
> The old pagevec usage deleted by patch 1 was limited to the naturally larger
> munlock_vma_pages_range() operation. The new per-cpu based one is more
> general, which obviously has its advantages, but then it might bring new
> corner cases.
> So if this turns out to be an big problem, I would rather go back to the
> limited scenario pagevec than a sysctl?

Okay, I'll delete that comment proposing a sysctl, which was more as
a possible safety measure for our internal experimentation than for
general use.  I just thought it was an easy way to force synchronous.

I don't expect a big problem.  The flush in this commit deals, I think,
with the only way it was treading on its own toes, using a pagevec at
a level which relied on the unlikelihood of a pagevec reference.

But I can imagine that such-and-such a test will expect Mlocked or
Unevictable to be exact, and this pagevec now delay it becoming exact.
I've not seen any example so far, but it does seem possible.  Maybe
we shall fix the test, maybe we shall add a drain.

I hadn't thought of limiting the use of pagevec to the mass operation
(if a significant problem emerges).  Yes, that might be a better idea,
thanks.  Anyway, we don't need to worry in advance.

A change I also had in this patch, orginally, was for
/proc/sys/vm/stat_refresh to lru_add_drain_all() first.  I'm surprised
that tests see good numbers without it doing so; but since I've not
actually seen the need for it yet, dropped that - we can always add
it later if need emerges.

Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-14  5:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-06 21:27 [PATCH 00/13] mm/munlock: rework of mlock+munlock page handling Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:30 ` [PATCH 01/13] mm/munlock: delete page_mlock() and all its works Hugh Dickins
2022-02-09 18:31   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-09 22:28     ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-10  9:52       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  6:52         ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-14  6:59           ` [PATCH v2 " Hugh Dickins
2022-02-14 10:07             ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-06 21:32 ` [PATCH 02/13] mm/munlock: delete FOLL_MLOCK and FOLL_POPULATE Hugh Dickins
2022-02-10 11:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-06 21:34 ` [PATCH 03/13] mm/munlock: delete munlock_vma_pages_all(), allow oomreap Hugh Dickins
2022-02-10 15:30   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-06 21:36 ` [PATCH 04/13] mm/munlock: rmap call mlock_vma_page() munlock_vma_page() Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 10:29   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  7:05     ` [PATCH v2 " Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:38 ` [PATCH 05/13] mm/munlock: replace clear_page_mlock() by final clearance Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 11:42   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-06 21:38 ` [PATCH 00/13] mm/munlock: rework of mlock+munlock page handling Matthew Wilcox
2022-02-07 18:20   ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:40 ` [PATCH 06/13] mm/munlock: maintain page->mlock_count while unevictable Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 12:27   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  5:42     ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 18:07   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  6:28     ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:42 ` [PATCH 07/13] mm/munlock: mlock_pte_range() when mlocking or munlocking Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 16:45   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  6:32     ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-14  7:09       ` [PATCH v2 " Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:43 ` [PATCH 08/13] mm/migrate: __unmap_and_move() push good newpage to LRU Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 17:19   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-06 21:45 ` [PATCH 09/13] mm/munlock: delete smp_mb() from __pagevec_lru_add_fn() Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 17:43   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-06 21:47 ` [PATCH 10/13] mm/munlock: mlock_page() munlock_page() batch by pagevec Hugh Dickins
2022-02-09  8:15   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-02-09 15:45     ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 18:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  7:15     ` [PATCH v2 " Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:49 ` [PATCH 11/13] mm/munlock: page migration needs mlock pagevec drained Hugh Dickins
2022-02-11 18:49   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-02-14  5:34     ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2022-02-14  7:17       ` [PATCH v2 " Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:51 ` [PATCH 12/13] mm/thp: collapse_file() do try_to_unmap(TTU_BATCH_FLUSH) Hugh Dickins
2022-02-06 21:53 ` [PATCH 13/13] mm/thp: shrink_page_list() avoid splitting VM_LOCKED THP Hugh Dickins
     [not found] ` <20220207033518.2602-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-02-07 18:46   ` [PATCH 07/13] mm/munlock: mlock_pte_range() when mlocking or munlocking Hugh Dickins
2022-02-09 15:35 ` [PATCH 00/13] mm/munlock: rework of mlock+munlock page handling Michal Hocko
2022-02-09 16:21   ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-09 21:01     ` Michal Hocko
2022-02-09 22:59       ` Hugh Dickins
2022-02-10  7:49         ` Michal Hocko

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