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From: "Asbjørn Sloth Tønnesen" <ast@fiberby.net>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Horatiu Vultur <horatiu.vultur@microchip.com>
Cc: andrew@lunn.ch, jakub.kicinski@netronome.com,
	nikolay@cumulusnetworks.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	roopa@cumulusnetworks.com, bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vivien.didelot@gmail.com,
	UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com, anirudh.venkataramanan@intel.com,
	jiri@mellanox.com, jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com,
	dsahern@gmail.com, olteanv@gmail.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [RFC net-next Patch 0/3] net: bridge: mrp: Add support for Media Redundancy Protocol(MRP)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 17:41:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <da02006c-dc9d-ce1a-861e-4fc1c1dc2830@fiberby.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200109081907.06281c0f@hermes.lan>

Hi Horatiu and Stephen,

Horatiu, thanks for giving this a try. I am looking forward to maybe someday
be able to run ERPS on white box switches.

On 1/9/20 4:19 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> Can this be implemented in userspace?
> 
> Putting STP in the kernel was a mistake (even original author says so).
> Adding more control protocols in kernel is a security and stability risk.

Another case is VRRP, ERPS (ITU-T G.8032), VRRP group.

My use-case might not be common, but I have machines with about 10k net_dev (QinQ),
I would like to be able to do VRRP group on the outer VLANs, which are only a few
hundred instances without excessive context switching. I would then keep the the
normal keep-alive state machine in kernel, basically a BPF-based timed periodic
packet emitter facility and a XDP recieve hook. So only setup and event handling
has to context switched to user-space.

Unfortunately I haven't had time to explore this yet, but I think such an approach
could solve a few of the reasons that scalable bridge/ring/ha protocols have to wait
20 years before being implemented in Linux.

-- 
Best regards
Asbjørn Sloth Tønnesen
Network Engineer
Fiberby ApS - AS42541

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-09 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-09 15:06 Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-09 15:06 ` [RFC net-next Patch 1/3] net: bridge: mrp: Add support for Media Redundancy Protocol Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-09 15:06 ` [RFC net-next Patch 2/3] net: bridge: mrp: Integrate MRP into the bridge Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-09 15:06 ` [RFC net-next Patch 3/3] net: bridge: mrp: Add netlink support to configure MRP Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-09 16:19 ` [RFC net-next Patch 0/3] net: bridge: mrp: Add support for Media Redundancy Protocol(MRP) Stephen Hemminger
2020-01-09 17:41   ` Asbjørn Sloth Tønnesen [this message]
2020-01-10  9:02   ` Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-10 15:36     ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-01-10 14:13 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2020-01-10 15:38   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2020-01-10 16:04   ` Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-10 16:21     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-01-10 16:48       ` Andrew Lunn
2020-01-10 17:25       ` Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-10 17:56         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-01-10 20:12           ` Horatiu Vultur
2020-01-10 20:33             ` Andrew Lunn
2020-01-10 19:27   ` David Miller
2020-01-10 20:03     ` nikolay
2020-01-10 20:24       ` Horatiu Vultur

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