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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Qing Wang <wangqing7171@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Li Chen <chenl311@chinatelecom.cn>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Replace random newidle_balance with Bresenham accumulator
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 10:59:39 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <da1896b3-6bec-4b56-bf6d-9ce775b00b8d@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260506024455.2799069-1-wangqing7171@gmail.com>

Hello Qing,

On 5/6/2026 8:14 AM, Qing Wang wrote:
> The current NI_RANDOM implementation uses a random dice roll to allow
> newidle_balance attempts according to the success rate. There is a better
> way to implememte it.
> 
> Replace the random dice with a Bresenham accumulator that distributes the
> allowed attempts with uniformly spaced evenly across a 1024-step window:
> 
> Each step do those:
>   - Accumulate (1 + newidle_ratio) into newidle_window_pos.
>   - If the accumulator reaches 1024, allow the balance attempt and
>     subtract 1024.
> 
> This guarantees exactly (1 + newidle_ratio) newidle_balance per 1024 steps
> and per newidle_balance with uniformly spaced for any ratio in [0, 1023].

I took the most sensitive workload I have for newidle balance (tbench)
and took it for a spin with these changes. Following are the results:

    Clients:        tip                  bresenham_accm
        1      321.65 (0.00 pct)       313.97 (-2.38 pct)
        2      641.92 (0.00 pct)       638.74 (-0.49 pct)
        4     1245.65 (0.00 pct)      1237.26 (-0.67 pct)
        8     2435.80 (0.00 pct)      2442.23 ( 0.26 pct)
       16     4717.66 (0.00 pct)      4688.19 (-0.62 pct)
       32     9303.53 (0.00 pct)      9390.71 ( 0.93 pct)
       64    18002.57 (0.00 pct)     17911.56 (-0.50 pct)
      128    27729.26 (0.00 pct)     27621.95 (-0.38 pct)
      256    47134.77 (0.00 pct)     46137.36 (-2.11 pct)
      512    43179.41 (0.00 pct)     43277.53 ( 0.22 pct)
     1024    40339.30 (0.00 pct)     40176.49 (-0.40 pct)

The %diff is in noise range which is a good indication that there
shouldn't be any surprises. I'll queue a run overnight to see if
there are other benchmarks that like / dislike these changes.

I'll let Peter comment on the change itself since he knows these
bits best ;-)

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-13  5:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-07 16:06 [PATCH 0/4] sched: The newidle balance regression Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 16:06 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Revert max_newidle_lb_cost bump Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-14 12:19   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-17 16:23   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 16:06 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Small cleanup to sched_balance_newidle() Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-10 13:55   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2025-11-10 14:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-12 14:37   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-12 14:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-12 15:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-12 15:28         ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-14  9:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-14 10:22             ` Vincent Guittot
2025-11-14 11:05               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-14 13:11                 ` Vincent Guittot
2025-11-14 12:19   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-17 16:23   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 16:06 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Small cleanup to update_newidle_cost() Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-14 12:19   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-17 16:23   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 16:06 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Proportional newidle balance Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-10 13:55   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2025-11-11  9:07   ` Adam Li
2025-11-11  9:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-12 12:04       ` Adam Li
2025-11-12 13:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-12 15:42   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-14  9:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-14 12:18   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-17 16:23   ` tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-18 20:46   ` [PATCH 4/4] " Mario Roy
2026-01-23 10:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-23 11:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-23 12:24         ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-28  4:08           ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-27  4:15         ` Mario Roy
2026-01-27 10:40         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-27 15:17           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-30  1:44             ` Mario Roy
2026-01-30  4:14             ` Mario Roy
2026-02-24  9:13             ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: More complex proportional " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-25 12:22     ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Proportional " Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-01-27  8:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-28 15:48         ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-01-29  9:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-29  9:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-30 16:12               ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-01-30 13:16             ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-02-02 10:51               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 11:07                 ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-02-04 12:45                   ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-02-04 13:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-04 13:59                       ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-02-04 14:05                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-04 22:48                           ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-01-27  8:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-27  9:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-28 16:24           ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-01-28 16:03         ` Mohamed Abuelfotoh, Hazem
2026-04-29  8:51   ` Qing Wang
2026-05-06  2:44     ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Replace random newidle_balance with Bresenham accumulator Qing Wang
2026-05-13  2:21       ` Qing Wang
2026-05-13  5:29       ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-05-14  2:22         ` Qing Wang
2026-06-02  5:46       ` [PATCH v2] " Qing Wang
2025-11-10 19:47 ` [PATCH 0/4] sched: The newidle balance regression Chris Mason
2025-11-11 19:08 ` Josh Don
2025-11-12 21:59 ` Chris Mason
2025-11-14  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra

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