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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, tglx@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
	hpa@zytor.com, luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	xueyuan.chen21@gmail.com, ioworker0@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm/secretmem: try to restore large page mappings in direct map
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2026 17:48:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <db45414a-8777-40d1-91b8-a78789ed18bd@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3ec76ffd-2650-4302-87e1-8183029a0553@linux.dev>

On 6/3/26 15:09, Lance Yang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2026/6/3 20:35, Mike Rapoport wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 03, 2026 at 07:41:34PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
>>>
>>> Good point, I kept it separate on purpose :)
>>>
>>> Putting collapse into set_direct_map_default_noflush() would change the
>>> semantics of that helper a bit, IMHO.
>>
>> For x86 default means present + rw + PSE, so yuu can look at it as actually
>> better enforcing the semantics :)
> 
> Yep. One x86 detail though, default seems to miss _PAGE_GLOBAL today. Not
> sure if that is intentional or just historical. See patch #02.
> 
>>> I would expect arch_try_collapse_direct_map() to also be useful for cases
>>> where a direct-map permission change could split a large maping first,
>>> and the user wants to try restoring the large mapping after changing it
>>> back. One example[1] is making a direct-map range read-only for security,
>>> which I am also working on :)
>>
>> I don't think users should care. The users care for particular permissions
>> of a range in the direct map. It should be up to the architecture to select
>> most suitable mapping size. The splits are implicit, I don't see why
>> collapses can't be implicit as well.
> 
> And agreed, users should not care about the final mapping size, that is
> up to the arch.
> 
> TBH, my concern is making the collapse cost implicit for every
> set_direct_map_default_noflush() caller. I still lean toward keeping
> it opt-in, but happy to hear what folks prefer :)

If we could easily do that automatically, that would likely be preferable.

Especially given that we are getting other users of direct-map removal soon that
would face similar problems (e.g., guest_memfd).

What the performance impact of trying to collapse after every directmap update?
Imagine we have a full PMD range with directmap-removed PTEs?

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-03 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-03 10:46 [RFC PATCH 0/2] restore large page mappings in direct map for secretmem Lance Yang
2026-06-03 10:46 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm/secretmem: try to restore large page mappings in direct map Lance Yang
2026-06-03 10:59   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-06-03 11:41     ` Lance Yang
2026-06-03 12:35       ` Mike Rapoport
2026-06-03 13:09         ` Lance Yang
2026-06-03 15:48           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-06-04  3:11             ` Lance Yang
2026-06-04 14:57               ` Mike Rapoport
2026-06-03 10:46 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] x86/mm: restore large page mappings for secretmem Lance Yang

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