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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: "Yang Zhang" <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86/idle: use dynamic halt poll
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 11:37:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df6b82dd-1219-c2d1-8f14-bd4735bf4bd3@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bfef6c05-1e8e-ca49-7e4b-ea615f90676f@gmail.com>



On 13.07.17 13:49, Yang Zhang wrote:
> On 2017/7/4 22:13, Radim Krčmář wrote:
>> 2017-07-03 17:28+0800, Yang Zhang:
>>> The background is that we(Alibaba Cloud) do get more and more complaints
>>> from our customers in both KVM and Xen compare to bare-mental.After
>>> investigations, the root cause is known to us: big cost in message 
>>> passing
>>> workload(David show it in KVM forum 2015)
>>>
>>> A typical message workload like below:
>>> vcpu 0                             vcpu 1
>>> 1. send ipi                     2.  doing hlt
>>> 3. go into idle                 4.  receive ipi and wake up from hlt
>>> 5. write APIC time twice        6.  write APIC time twice to
>>>    to stop sched timer              reprogram sched timer
>>
>> One write is enough to disable/re-enable the APIC timer -- why does
>> Linux use two?
> 
> One is to remove the timer and another one is to reprogram the timer. 
> Normally, only one write to remove the timer.But in some cases, it will 
> reprogram it.
> 
>>
>>> 7. doing hlt                    8.  handle task and send ipi to
>>>                                     vcpu 0
>>> 9. same to 4.                   10. same to 3
>>>
>>> One transaction will introduce about 12 vmexits(2 hlt and 10 msr 
>>> write). The
>>> cost of such vmexits will degrades performance severely.
>>
>> Yeah, sounds like too much ... I understood that there are
>>
>>   IPI from 1 to 2
>>   4 * APIC timer
>>   IPI from 2 to 1
>>
>> which adds to 6 MSR writes -- what are the other 4?
> 
> In the worst case, each timer will touch APIC timer twice.So it will add 
> additional 4 msr writse. But this is  not always true.
> 
>>
>>>                                                          Linux kernel
>>> already provide idle=poll to mitigate the trend. But it only 
>>> eliminates the
>>> IPI and hlt vmexit. It has nothing to do with start/stop sched timer. A
>>> compromise would be to turn off NOHZ kernel, but it is not the default
>>> config for new distributions. Same for halt-poll in KVM, it only 
>>> solve the
>>> cost from schedule in/out in host and can not help such workload much.
>>>
>>> The purpose of this patch we want to improve current idle=poll 
>>> mechanism to
>>
>> Please aim to allow MWAIT instead of idle=poll -- MWAIT doesn't slow
>> down the sibling hyperthread.  MWAIT solves the IPI problem, but doesn't
>> get rid of the timer one.
> 
> Yes, i can try it. But MWAIT will not yield CPU, it only helps the 
> sibling hyperthread as you mentioned.

If you implement proper MWAIT emulation that conditionally gets en- or 
disabled depending on the same halt poll dynamics that we already have 
for in-host HLT handling, it will also yield the CPU.

As for the timer - are you sure the problem is really the overhead of 
the timer configuration, not the latency that it takes to actually fire 
the guest timer?

One major problem I see is that we configure the host hrtimer to fire at 
the point in time when the guest wants to see a timer event. But in a 
virtual environment, the point in time when we have to start switching 
to the VM really should be a bit *before* the guest wants to be woken 
up, as it takes quite some time to switch back into the VM context.


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-14  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-22 11:22 [PATCH 0/2] x86/idle: add halt poll support root
2017-06-22 11:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/idle: add halt poll for halt idle root
2017-06-22 14:23   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-23  4:05     ` Yang Zhang
2017-08-16  4:04   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-08-17  7:29     ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 11:22 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/idle: use dynamic halt poll root
2017-06-22 11:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-23  3:58     ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 11:22       ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 12:07         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 12:23           ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-27 12:28             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 13:40               ` Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 13:56                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-27 14:22                   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-06-27 14:26                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-07-03  9:28                     ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-03 10:06                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-04  2:19                         ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-04 14:13                       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-07-04 14:50                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-13 11:49                         ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-14  9:37                           ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2017-07-17  9:26                             ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-17  9:54                               ` Alexander Graf
2017-07-17 12:50                                 ` Yang Zhang
2017-07-04 22:28                       ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-22 14:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-23  4:04     ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 22:46   ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-22 11:32 ` [PATCH 0/2] x86/idle: add halt poll support Yang Zhang
2017-06-22 11:50 ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-23  4:08   ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-23  4:35     ` Wanpeng Li
2017-06-23  6:49       ` Yang Zhang
2017-06-27 14:00         ` Radim Krčmář

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