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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmscan: report RCU-tasks quiescent states in shrink_lruvec()
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 10:38:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e019296d-43f5-47bd-ab49-6dfd1d8da0cb@paulmck-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <anqnkZceNHyvbR5S@linux.dev>

On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 09:43:03PM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 02:57:36AM -0700, Breno Leitao wrote:
> > I am seeing some rcu_tasks stalls in the Meta fleet during reclaim.
> > 
> >   INFO: rcu_tasks detected stalls on tasks:
> > 	0000000088620d09: .. nvcsw: 6735/6735 holdout: 1 idle_cpu: -1/8
> > 	task:GlobalCPUThread state:R  running task  pid:2552016 tgid:2524552
> >   Call Trace:
> >    shrink_lruvec
> >    mem_cgroup_iter
> >    shrink_node
> >    do_try_to_free_pages
> >    try_to_free_pages
> >    __alloc_frozen_pages_noprof
> >    alloc_pages_noprof
> >    pte_alloc_one
> >    __pte_alloc
> >    handle_mm_fault
> > 
> > Nothing promises direct reclaim returns in bounded time, and the scan
> > loop in shrink_lruvec() only calls cond_resched(), which is a no-op on
> > PREEMPTION kernels.  Involuntary preemption is not a Tasks-RCU
> > quiescent state, so the reclaiming task never reports one and becomes a
> > holdout.
> 
> I still don't understand why cond_resched() is being treated as involuntary
> preemption but that is orthogonal to this patch.

The history is that cond_resched() was originally intended to be a
preemption point in any otherwise non-preemptible kernel.  Therefore,
because it is a preemption point, it counts as an involuntary context
switch.

							Thanx, Paul

> > Upgrade it to cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs(), which reports a quiescent
> > state even when cond_resched() does nothing.
> > 
> > PS: This has been discussed in [1]
> > 
> > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/amdWVTs0WKOxguxP@gmail.com/ [1]
> > Cc: stable@vger.kernel.org
> > Signed-off-by: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
> 
> Acked-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-11 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-10  9:57 Breno Leitao
2026-08-10 15:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-10 20:02 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-08-11  4:43 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-08-11 17:38   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2026-08-11 17:54     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-08-11 18:39       ` Paul E. McKenney

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