From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755503AbYDAMvX (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:51:23 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752824AbYDAMvQ (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:51:16 -0400 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]:58725 "EHLO wf-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752487AbYDAMvP (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:51:15 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fs8SJX0DjWhcUqmI8HwGeGDQhy9rm9mA1m5f1XH7TVk0VbAcXYcu85os2XbBZtHtbfvt+q7M3qjRn8s5sOqMH7MoZNSY0NXYTn0gh8TDZ8cYN+4B3w2H6tZs3H82eHKS00IRY/XlM2mtJhh6UqI66VXj25oU1wA7DvHlBCloN9Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:51:15 -0300 From: "Daniel Bonekeeper" To: "Peter Teoh" Subject: Re: RFC: Writing Solaris Device Drivers in Java Cc: "Jacek Luczak" , "Peter Zijlstra" , LKML , kernelnewbies In-Reply-To: <804dabb00803310754q40eaca5ai8b9faacecef0edef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47F0491F.4050804@gmail.com> <1206959293.8514.636.camel@twins> <47F0D201.6030102@gmail.com> <804dabb00803310754q40eaca5ai8b9faacecef0edef@mail.gmail.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Peter Teoh wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Jacek Luczak wrote: > > Peter Zijlstra pisze: > > > > > > Java? Compete against C? Don't scare embedded devs. > > > > The future is always uncertain for us. Embedded development usually > emphasizes on performance, unlike those of the desktop. So which > language will be king tomorrow in embedded, it boils down to > performance + optimization + ease of development. Just imagine: > from 10 lines of C reduced to 2 lines of XXX-based language software - > I think the 10 lines will scare off the embedded developers of > tomorrow. I may be wrong :-). I hope you are... otherwise I may not have the necessary patience to cope with such people in the future =) It's funny how people nowadays are dumbing down languages & systems to fit expectations of how easy programming should be [for a newbie]... One thing that I can live with is the fact that program interfaces are getting dumber by the week so that the "general user" can use them without thinking too much. Another thing that I cannot accept is people who call themselves developers wanting to push stuff like Java where it doesn't belong to make it easier on the kids who're entering the field (maybe on themselves ?), who are supposed to know how the computer works, live with it and actually like it, specially the low level stuff. Who would trust a surgeon who's afraid of a little blood ? On the other hand, it's always good to know that there will always be a need for the real programmers, apparently =) -- What this world needs is a good five-dollar plasma weapon.