From: "Bart Van Assche" <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>
To: "James Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Vladislav Bolkhovitin" <vst@vlnb.net>,
"FUJITA Tomonori" <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Integration of SCST in the mainstream Linux kernel
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:29:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2e108260801300029r1a949353k73b30f1f28db0bc9@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1201639331.3069.58.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Jan 29, 2008 9:42 PM, James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
> > As an SCST user, I would like to see the SCST kernel code integrated
> > in the mainstream kernel because of its excellent performance on an
> > InfiniBand network. Since the SCST project comprises about 14 KLOC,
> > reviewing the SCST code will take considerable time. Who will do this
> > reviewing work ? And with regard to the comments made by the
> > reviewers: Vladislav, do you have the time to carry out the
> > modifications requested by the reviewers ? I expect a.o. that
> > reviewers will ask to move SCST's configuration pseudofiles from
> > procfs to sysfs.
>
> The two target architectures perform essentially identical functions, so
> there's only really room for one in the kernel. Right at the moment,
> it's STGT. Problems in STGT come from the user<->kernel boundary which
> can be mitigated in a variety of ways. The fact that the figures are
> pretty much comparable on non IB networks shows this.
Are you saying that users who need an efficient iSCSI implementation
should switch to OpenSolaris ? The OpenSolaris COMSTAR project involves
the migration of the existing OpenSolaris iSCSI target daemon from
userspace to their kernel. The OpenSolaris developers are
spending time on this because they expect a significant performance
improvement.
> I really need a whole lot more evidence than at worst a 20% performance
> difference on IB to pull one implementation out and replace it with
> another. Particularly as there's no real evidence that STGT can't be
> tweaked to recover the 20% even on IB.
My measurements on a 1 GB/s InfiniBand network have shown that the current
SCST implementation is able to read data via direct I/O at a rate of 811 GB/s
(via SRP) and that the current STGT implementation is able to transfer data at a
rate of 589 MB/s (via iSER). That's a performance difference of 38%.
And even more important, the I/O latency of SCST is significantly
lower than that
of STGT. This is very important for database workloads -- the I/O pattern caused
by database software is close to random I/O, and database software needs low
latency I/O in order to run efficiently.
In the thread with the title "Performance of SCST versus STGT" on the
SCST-devel /
STGT-devel mailing lists not only the raw performance numbers were discussed but
also which further performance improvements are possible. It became clear that
the SCST performance can be improved further by implementing a well known
optimization (zero-copy I/O). Fujita Tomonori explained in the same
thread that it is
possible to improve the performance of STGT further, but that this would require
a lot of effort (implementing asynchronous I/O in the kernel and also
implementing
a new caching mechanism using pre-registered buffers).
See also:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=scst-devel&viewmonth=200801&viewday=17
Bart Van Assche.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-30 8:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-23 14:22 Bart Van Assche
2008-01-23 17:11 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-29 20:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-01-29 21:31 ` Roland Dreier
2008-01-29 23:32 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-30 1:15 ` [Scst-devel] " Vu Pham
2008-01-30 8:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 10:56 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-30 11:40 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-30 13:10 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 13:54 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-31 7:48 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 13:25 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-31 14:34 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 14:44 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-31 15:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-31 16:25 ` [Scst-devel] " Joe Landman
2008-01-31 17:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 17:13 ` Joe Landman
2008-01-31 18:12 ` David Dillow
2008-02-01 11:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-01 11:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-01 12:25 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-31 17:14 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-31 17:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 18:15 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-01 9:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 8:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 10:39 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-01 11:04 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 12:05 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-01 13:25 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 14:36 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-30 16:34 ` James Bottomley
2008-01-30 16:50 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-02 15:32 ` Pete Wyckoff
2008-02-05 17:01 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-06 12:16 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-06 16:45 ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-06 17:06 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-18 9:43 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-18 11:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-20 7:34 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-20 8:41 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 11:18 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-30 8:29 ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2008-01-30 16:22 ` James Bottomley
2008-01-30 17:03 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 7:14 ` [Scst-devel] " Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-02-05 13:38 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-05 16:07 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-02-05 16:21 ` Ming Zhang
2008-02-05 16:43 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-05 17:09 ` Matteo Tescione
2008-02-06 1:29 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-06 2:01 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-30 11:17 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 12:27 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 13:53 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-04 17:00 ` David Dillow
2008-02-04 17:08 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 16:25 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 15:30 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 16:25 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 17:06 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 17:16 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 17:25 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 17:56 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 18:22 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 18:38 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 18:54 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05 18:59 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 19:13 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-06 18:07 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-07 13:13 ` [Scst-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-07 13:45 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-07 22:51 ` david
2008-02-08 10:37 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-09 7:40 ` david
2008-02-08 11:33 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-08 14:36 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-08 23:53 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-15 15:02 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-07 15:38 ` [Scst-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-07 20:37 ` Luben Tuikov
2008-02-08 10:32 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-09 7:32 ` Luben Tuikov
2008-02-11 10:02 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-08 11:53 ` [Scst-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-08 14:42 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-09 0:00 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 18:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 18:49 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 19:06 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 19:19 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 20:06 ` [Scst-devel] " 4news
2008-02-04 20:24 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 21:01 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-04 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 22:00 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 22:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-04 23:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 0:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 8:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-06 10:22 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-06 14:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 13:05 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-02-05 18:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 19:01 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 22:43 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-04 17:30 ` Douglas Gilbert
2008-02-05 2:07 ` [Scst-devel] " Chris Weiss
2008-02-05 14:19 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-04 22:59 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 23:00 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 23:12 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 23:16 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-05 18:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 23:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-04 23:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 19:01 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 19:21 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-06 0:11 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 1:43 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-12 16:05 ` [Scst-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-13 3:44 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-13 6:18 ` CONFIG_SLUB and reproducable general protection faults on 2.6.2x Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-13 16:37 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 0:17 ` Integration of SCST in the mainstream Linux kernel Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 0:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 0:51 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-05 0:07 ` Matt Mackall
2008-02-05 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 0:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 0:45 ` Matt Mackall
2008-02-05 4:43 ` [Scst-devel] " Matteo Tescione
2008-02-05 5:07 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05 13:38 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-05 19:00 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 17:10 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-05 19:02 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 19:02 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
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