From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BAACA9ECB for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0625E2080F for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=redchan.it header.i=@redchan.it header.b="Y5t65ROV" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728598AbfJaXKI (ORCPT ); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:10:08 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:42793 "EHLO cock.li" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728397AbfJaXKI (ORCPT ); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:10:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1572562966; bh=ZEDAU4OLNqqsQbxbWvlIESgmeMLSiwy214XPoMthBZ0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=Y5t65ROVAd/DtK0n0NGJ2dKwH9tvQDJxJNt3UNDbRpCPRIitQXIvh0zZgeq5NJjg+ Vt3FJUVth4baoMTCtX0r/HbjnAL7bslwcpDRiu+egY4WkkKAYHuNKqTkCNrHEk3ir0 6UoCg/Ct4mNsRJUx87i3AwbuHJUzp0WKU7fUmcV00CsIOQr+8Np38isF9PSJbJ6fmq qezkLmCzZlpObf5yQD9YhfcPwbeIAijiLrI7GanPfI7UkOvL3iujHN1CfKYYB5AnDT NjHrvrOnUQmJWZApB2BMoHbXXYNiDl5UzbSsLyOQn5CXarZwXBiG913hCyoU4jYNUo l6p+RWAKcXgzA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:02:42 +0000 From: gameonlinux@redchan.it To: gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org Cc: bruce@perens.com, rms@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, bugs@gnu.support, ams@gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: (Censored) Why will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)? Message-ID: X-Sender: gameonlinux@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org I tried to send this to the list, but it was dropped as "spam", which is no surprise since the some want to screen communications to RMS and thus control him. RMS: Could you share your thoughts, if any, of why no one will sue GrSecurity ("Open Source Security" (a Pennsylvania company)) for their blatant violation of section 6 of version 2 of the GNU General Public License? Both regarding their GCC plugins and their Linux-Kernel patch which is a non-separable derivative work? They distribute such under a no-redistribution agreement to paying customers (the is the only distribution they do). If the customer redistributes the derivative works they are punished. That is: GrSecurity (OSS) has created a contract to /Defeat/ the GPL and has done so successfully so far. Very successfully. The GPL is basically the BSD license now, since such as been allowed to stand. This is how businesses see the GPL. They are no longer afraid: They will simply do what GrSecurity has done. Something that was supposed to stay liberated: a security patch that helped users maintain their privacy by not being immediately rooted when using a linux kernel on a GNU system; is now non-free. With this the GPL _fails_. NO ONE has sued GrSecurity. Thus they are seen as "having it right" "correct" "we can do this". Wouldn't the FSF have standing regarding the GCC plugins atleast? Couldn't you all rally linux-kernel copyright holders to bring a joint action? References: perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/ perens.com/static/OSS_Spenger_v_Perens/0_2018cv15189/docs1/pdf/18.pdf (Page 10 onward of this brief gives a good recitation of the facts and issues