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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com>,
	Qing Wang <wangqing7171@gmail.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	syzbot+3b5dd2030fe08afdf65d@syzkaller.appspotmail.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracing: Fix WARN_ON in tracing_buffers_mmap_close
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 12:13:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e4deff21-2fb5-4f37-a7d3-ede5f69a4489@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260227155601.18ebd3ca@gandalf.local.home>

+cc David.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2026 at 03:56:01PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 10:20:38 -0500
> Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 11:22:22 +0000
> > Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Ah right, Syzkaller is using madvise(MADVISE_DOFORK) which resets VM_DONTCOPY.
> > >
> > > As we are applying restrictive rules for this mapping, I believe setting VM_IO
> > > might be a better fix.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
>
> Adding MM folks so we do this right.
>
> Dear MM folks,
>
> Here's the issue. When the ftrace ring buffer is memory mapped to user
> space, we do not want anything "special" done to it. One of those things we
> did not want done was to have it copied on fork. To do that, we added
> VM_DONTCOPY, but we didn't know that an madvise() could disable that. It
> looks like VM_IO will prevent that from happening.
>
> But looking at the various flags, I see there's a VM_SPECIAL. I'm wondering
> if that is what we should use?

VM_SPECIAL is not a VMA flag, it's a bitmask of all the flags which cause us not
to permit things like splitting/merging of VMAs (because we can't safely do
them), i.e. that are one or more of:

        VM_IO - Memory-mapped I/O range.

    VM_PFNMAP - A mapping without struct folio's/page's backing them, e.g. perhaps a
                raw kernel mapping.

  VM_MIXEDMAP - A combination of page/folio-backed memory and/or PFN-backed memory.

VM_DONTEXPAND - Disallow expansion of memory in mremap().

You already set VM_DONTEXPAND so you get these semantics already.

Setting VM_IO just to trigger a failure case in madvise() feels like a hack? I
guess it'd do the trick though, but you're not going to be able to reclaim that
memory, and you might get some unexpected behaviour in code paths that assume
VM_IO means it's memory-mapped I/O... (for instance GUP will stop working, if
you need that).

I'd take a step back and wonder why you are wanting to not allow copying on
fork? Is this kernel-allocated memory? In which case you should set VM_MIXEDMAP
or VM_PFNMAP as appropriate... If not and it has a folio etc. then it seems like
strange semantics.

Are you really bothered also by users doing strange things? Maybe the solution
is to tolerate a fork-copy even if it's broken? I presume somethings straight up
breaks right now?

Without more context that I don't really have much time to acquire it's hard to
know what to advise.

>
> The effected code is here:
>
>    https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/kernel/trace/ring_buffer.c#n7172
>
> What's your thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Steve

Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-02 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-27  2:58 Qing Wang
2026-02-27 10:02 ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-02-27 10:41   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-02-27 11:22     ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-02-27 15:20       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-02-27 20:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-02 12:13           ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2026-03-02 16:52             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-03 10:19               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-03-03 15:25                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-04 17:30                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-02-28  8:59       ` Qing Wang
2026-02-27 15:10     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-02-27 15:16       ` Vincent Donnefort

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