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From: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
To: Joshua Hudson <joshudson@gmail.com>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux IDE and libata <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>,
	OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Cache coherency bug: stale reads on /dev/sda1
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 09:50:46 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e644366b-8387-c228-78cb-f108453b0b1d@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+jjjYRr3SHvXhVZLfACkUrN98n3W8aMBe1e8zqUNDuRZt17=A@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/08/2023 09:38, Joshua Hudson wrote:
> "Whole disk and all partitions have page caches of their own."
> 
> That's so bad.
> 
> I can think of numerous cases where this will cause problems; including
> some I encountered last year and did not understand at the time. Manipulating
> EFI partitions through the whole disk device makes sense because FAT filesystems
> *know their offset on the disk*, and some of the existing tools really
> don't like being
> given a partition device.
> 
> There's also the astounding: write stuff to disk, umount everything,
> copy one disk to
> another using the whole disk device doesn't work because reading the whole disk
> yields a stale cache (sometimes).
> 
> On the other hand, I can think of very few cases where the file vs
> disk buffer pool
> matters, because the loop device is unaffected (writing to a loop
> block device is
> coherent with the file).
> 

tl;dr:

> A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post
> Q: Were do I find info about this thing called top-posting?
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
> 
> A: No.
> Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?
> 
> http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/on_top

What cases on the loop devices?

-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-27  2:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-26 21:59 Joshua Hudson
2023-08-27  1:03 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-08-27  1:25   ` Joshua Hudson
2023-08-27  2:06     ` Al Viro
2023-08-27  2:38       ` Joshua Hudson
2023-08-27  2:50         ` Bagas Sanjaya [this message]
2023-08-27  4:17         ` Al Viro
2023-08-27 14:39           ` Joshua Hudson
2023-08-27 16:30             ` Al Viro
2023-08-27 18:33               ` Joshua Hudson
2023-09-06  7:42                 ` Hannes Reinecke

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