From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: John Garry <john.garry@huawei.com>, hch@lst.de
Cc: m.szyprowski@samsung.com, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cai@gmx.us, salil.mehta@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] dma-debug: Dynamically expand the dma_debug_entry pool
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:19:37 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <eccb5b60-b831-c4bd-6c61-4867296e1232@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <58fb3579-d101-db2b-c63a-609ddd651932@huawei.com>
On 04/12/2018 16:30, John Garry wrote:
> On 04/12/2018 13:11, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> On 03/12/2018 18:23, John Garry wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2018 17:28, Robin Murphy wrote:
>>>> Certain drivers such as large multi-queue network adapters can use
>>>> pools
>>>> of mapped DMA buffers larger than the default dma_debug_entry pool of
>>>> 65536 entries, with the result that merely probing such a device can
>>>> cause DMA debug to disable itself during boot unless explicitly
>>>> given an
>>>> appropriate "dma_debug_entries=..." option.
>>>>
>>>> Developers trying to debug some other driver on such a system may
>>>> not be
>>>> immediately aware of this, and at worst it can hide bugs if they
>>>> fail to
>>>> realise that dma-debug has already disabled itself unexpectedly by the
>>>> time the code of interest gets to run. Even once they do realise, it
>>>> can
>>>> be a bit of a pain to emprirically determine a suitable number of
>>>> preallocated entries to configure without massively over-allocating.
>>>>
>>>> There's really no need for such a static limit, though, since we can
>>>> quite easily expand the pool at runtime in those rare cases that the
>>>> preallocated entries are insufficient, which is arguably the least
>>>> surprising and most useful behaviour.
>>>
>>> Hi Robin,
>>>
>>> Do you have an idea on shrinking the pool again when the culprit
>>> driver is removed, i.e. we have so many unused debug entries now
>>> available?
>>
>> I honestly don't believe it's worth the complication. This is a
>> development feature with significant overheads already, so there's not
>> an awful lot to gain by trying to optimise memory usage. If a system can
>> ever load a driver that makes hundreds of thousands of simultaneous
>> mappings, it can almost certainly spare 20-odd megabytes of RAM for the
>> corresponding debug entries in perpetuity. Sure, it does mean you'd need
>> to reboot to recover memory from a major leak, but that's mostly true of
>> the current behaviour too, and rebooting during driver development is
>> hardly an unacceptable inconvenience.
>>
>
> ok, I just thought that it would not be too difficult to implement this
> on the dma entry free path.
True, in the current code it wouldn't be all that hard, but it feels
more worthwhile to optimise for allocation rather than freeing, and as
soon as we start allocating memory for multiple entries at once, trying
to free anything becomes extremely challenging.
>> In fact, having got this far in, what I'd quite like to do is to get rid
>> of dma_debug_resize_entries() such that we never need to free things at
>> all, since then we could allocate whole pages as blocks of entries to
>> save on masses of individual slab allocations.
>>
>
> On a related topic, is it possible for the user to learn the total
> entries created at a given point in time? If not, could we add a file in
> the debugfs folder for this?
I did get as far as pondering that you effectively lose track of
utilisation once the low-water-mark of min_free_entries hits 0 and stays
there - AFAICS it should be sufficient to just expose nr_total_entries
as-is, since users can then calculate current and maximum occupancy
based on *_free_entries. Does that sound reasonable to you?
That also indirectly reminds me that this lot is documented in
DMA_API.txt, so I should be good and update that too...
Cheers,
Robin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-04 17:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-12-03 17:28 [PATCH 0/4] dma-debug: implement dynamic entry allocation Robin Murphy
2018-12-03 17:28 ` [PATCH 1/4] dma-debug: Use pr_fmt() Robin Murphy
2018-12-04 14:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-04 17:35 ` Joe Perches
2018-12-03 17:28 ` [PATCH 2/4] dma-debug: Refactor dma_debug_entry allocation Robin Murphy
2018-12-04 14:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-04 16:09 ` Robin Murphy
2018-12-03 17:28 ` [PATCH 3/4] dma-debug: Dynamically expand the dma_debug_entry pool Robin Murphy
2018-12-03 18:23 ` John Garry
2018-12-04 13:11 ` Robin Murphy
2018-12-04 14:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-04 16:06 ` Robin Murphy
2018-12-04 16:30 ` John Garry
2018-12-04 17:19 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2018-12-04 17:38 ` John Garry
2018-12-04 14:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-04 16:32 ` Robin Murphy
2018-12-03 17:28 ` [RFC 4/4] dma-debug: Make leak-like behaviour apparent Robin Murphy
2018-12-04 14:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-03 17:34 ` [PATCH 0/4] dma-debug: implement dynamic entry allocation Christoph Hellwig
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