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So involving locking seems to hurt performance more than > per-CPU/per-task operations. This may suggest that enabling > PREEMPT_HAZPTR by default has an acceptable performance. Indeed, I can fold it into the hazptr patch and remove the config option then. > >> So breaking up the iteration into pieces is not just to handle >> busy-waiting, but also to make sure we don't increase the >> system latency by holding a raw spinlock (taken with rq lock >> held) for more than the little time needed to iterate to the next >> node. >> > > I agree that it helps reduce the latency, but I feel like with a scan > thread in the picture (and we don't need to busy-wait), we should use > a forward-progress-guaranteed way in the updater side scan, which means > we may need to explore other solutions for the latency (e.g. > fine-grained locking hashlist for the overflow list) than the generation > counter. Guaranteeing forward progress of synchronize even with a steady stream of unrelated hazard pointers addition/removal to/from the overflow list is something we should aim for, with or without a scan thread. As is, my current generation scheme does not guarantee this. But we can use liburcu RCU grace period "parity" concept as inspiration [1] and introduce a two-lists scheme, and have hazptr_synchronize flip the current "list_add" head while it iterates on the other list. There would be one generation counter for each of the two lists. This would be protected by holding a global mutex across hazptr_synchronize. hazptr_synchronize would need to iterate on the two lists one after the other, carefully flipping the current "addition list" head between the two iterations. So the worse case that can happen in terms of retry caused by generation counter increments is if list entries are deleted while the list is being traversed by hazptr_synchronize. Because there are no possible concurrent additions to that list, the worse case is that the list becomes empty, which bounds the number of retry to the number of list elements. Thoughts ? Thanks, Mathieu [1] https://github.com/urcu/userspace-rcu/blob/master/src/urcu.c#L409 -- Mathieu Desnoyers EfficiOS Inc. https://www.efficios.com