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From: Jianyong Wu <wujianyong@hygon.cn>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
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	Yuan Zhong <zhongyuan@hygon.cn>,
	Zhiwei Ying <yingzhiwei@hygon.cn>, Huangsj <huangsj@hygon.cn>
Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 0/8] sched: Extend cache-aware scheduling into topology-aware scheduling
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 12:12:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ee75ab5fc63f4fa1b4bd9a28fae9db9b@hygon.cn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260625084227.GS42921@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2026 4:42 PM
> To: Jianyong Wu <wujianyong@hygon.cn>
> Cc: mingo@redhat.com; juri.lelli@redhat.com; vincent.guittot@linaro.org;
> dietmar.eggemann@arm.com; rostedt@goodmis.org; bsegall@google.com;
> mgorman@suse.de; vschneid@redhat.com; kprateek.nayak@amd.com;
> sshegde@linux.ibm.com; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org;
> yu.c.chen@intel.com; tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com; justin.he@arm.com;
> Yuan Zhong <zhongyuan@hygon.cn>; Zhiwei Ying <yingzhiwei@hygon.cn>;
> Huangsj <huangsj@hygon.cn>
> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] sched: Extend cache-aware scheduling into
> topology-aware scheduling
> 
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2026 at 11:07:51AM +0800, Jianyong Wu wrote:
> > The current cache-aware scheduling implementation adopts an
> > LLC-centric task aggregation model. While effective for workloads
> > that fit within a single LLC domain, this design is fundamentally
> > limited by a fixed aggregation scope that cannot scale across
> > scheduling domains.
> >
> > This leads to a single structural limitation: the lack of
> > topology-scalable task aggregation. When workload size exceeds
> > the capacity of an LLC domain, the scheduler cannot extend
> > aggregation to higher-level domains, and locality cannot be
> > preserved effectively. At the same time, higher-level topology
> > information such as NUMA domains cannot be consistently utilized
> > for placement decisions.
> >
> > This patch set addresses this limitation by extending
> > cache-aware scheduling into topology-aware task aggregation.
> > The aggregation scope becomes hierarchical and can dynamically
> > expand or contract across scheduling domains based on workload
> > demand.
> >
> > Task aggregation starts at MC or LLC domains under light load,
> > and expands to NUMA and higher-level domains as load increases,
> > and contracts when load decreases.
> 
> Urgh,... that only really works if the topology has a low branching
> factor.
> 
> I would much rather see things move towards a mask of cache domains,
> rather than any single one, where the number of bits in the mask is
> minimal vs the concurrency.

OK, let me try this.
> 
> This has already been mentioned a number of times, which seems to
> suggest you've not actually been reading along very well :-(

Sorry for missing the earlier discussion on this.

Thanks
Jianyong


      reply	other threads:[~2026-06-25 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-25  3:07 Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] sched/topo: Add some llc related helpers Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] sched/fair: Introduce helpers for cross-domain migration decisions Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] sched/fair: Introduce rq affinity gain calculation for migration selection Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] sched/fair: Pick optimal src rq/group using affinity promotion metric Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] sched/fair: Drop prefer_sibling restriction for llc_balance Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] sched/fair: Judge migration eligibility via NUMA-wide Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] sched: Let sched cache take precedence over NUMA balancing Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] sched/debug: Print task preferred LLC for scheduler debugging Jianyong Wu
2026-06-28 19:29   ` XIAO WU
2026-06-30  2:03     ` Jianyong Wu
2026-06-25  8:42 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] sched: Extend cache-aware scheduling into topology-aware scheduling Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-25 12:12   ` Jianyong Wu [this message]

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