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From: Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, x86@kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhiramat@kernel.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, jpoimboe@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/4] x86/alternative: Rewrite optimize_nops() some
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 19:52:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f0b54521-26cf-ed38-d805-3a8eef3b3103@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230208171431.373412974@infradead.org>

On 08/02/2023 5:10 pm, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> This rewrite address two issues:
>
>  - it no longer hard requires single byte nop runs, it now accepts
>    any NOP and NOPL encoded instruction (but not the more complicated
>    32bit NOPs).
>
>  - it writes a single 'instruction' replacement.
>
> Specifically, ORC unwinder relies on the tail NOP of an alternative to
> be a single instruction, in particular it relies on the inner bytes
> not being executed.
>
> Once we reach the max supported NOP length (currently 8, could easily
> be extended to 11 on x86_64), switches to JMP.d8 and INT3 padding to
> achieve the same result.
>
> The ORC unwinder uses this guarantee in the analysis of
> alternative/overlapping CFI state,
>
> Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>

How lucky are you feeling for your game of performance roulette?

Unconditional jmps cost branch prediction these days, and won't be
successfully predicted until taken.

There is a point after which a jmp is more efficient that brute forcing
through a line of nops, and where this point is is very uarch specific,
but it's not a single nop...

Whether you care or not is a different matter, but at least be aware
doing a jmp like this instead of e.g. 2 or 3 nops, is contrary to the
prior advice given by the architects.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-08 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-08 17:10 [PATCH v3 0/4] x86: Fully relocatable alternatives and some NOPs Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 17:10 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] x86/alternative: Make debug-alternative selective Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-14 11:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-05-13 13:03   ` [tip: x86/alternatives] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 17:10 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] x86/alternative: Support relocations in alternatives Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-17 20:28   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-17 22:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-05-13 13:03   ` [tip: x86/alternatives] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 17:10 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] x86/alternative: Rewrite optimize_nops() some Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 19:52   ` Andrew.Cooper3 [this message]
2023-02-08 20:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 20:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 20:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 20:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 21:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 21:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 21:21             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-09  1:11               ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-02-09 22:27                 ` David Laight
2023-02-09  1:33       ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-02-08 23:04     ` David Laight
2023-05-13 13:03   ` [tip: x86/alternatives] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-27 10:49 ` [PATCH] x86/lib/memmove: Decouple ERMS from FSRM Borislav Petkov
2023-04-27  9:22   ` [PATCH TEST] " Yahu Gao

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