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From: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Shawn Landden <shawn@git.icu>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Deepa Dinamani <deepa.kernel@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH] futex: extend set_robust_list to allow 2 locking ABIs at the same time.
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:10:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f11d82f1-1e81-e344-3ad2-76e4cb488a3d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1911051253430.17054@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On 11/5/19 6:56 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Thomas Gleixner:
>>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>>> * Shawn Landden:
>>>>> If this new ABI is used, then bit 1 of the *next pointer of the
>>>>> user-space robust_list indicates that the futex_offset2 value should
>>>>> be used in place of the existing futex_offset.
>>>>
>>>> The futex interface currently has some races which can only be fixed by
>>>> API changes.  I'm concerned that we sacrifice the last bit for some
>>>> rather obscure feature.  What if we need that bit for fixing the
>>>> correctness issues?
>>>
>>> That current approach is going nowhere and if we change the ABI ever then
>>> this needs to happen with all *libc folks involved and agreeing.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, what's the race issue vs. robust list which you are
>>> trying to solve?
>>
>> Sadly I'm not trying to solve them.  Here's one of the issues:
>>
>>   <https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14485>
> 
> That one seems more a life time problem, i.e. the mutex is destroyed,
> memory freed and map address reused while another thread was not yet out of
> the mutex_unlock() call. Nasty.

It is difficult to fix.

The other issue is this:

"Robust mutexes do not take ROBUST_LIST_LIMIT into account"
https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19089

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-05 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-04  0:29 Shawn Landden
2019-11-04  0:51 ` Shawn Landden
2019-11-04 15:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05  0:10   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05  9:48 ` Florian Weimer
2019-11-05  9:59   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 10:06     ` Florian Weimer
2019-11-05 11:56       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 14:10         ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]
2019-11-05 14:27           ` Florian Weimer
2019-11-05 14:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 14:27           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 14:33             ` Florian Weimer
2019-11-05 14:48               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 14:00             ` Zack Weinberg
2019-11-06 14:04               ` Florian Weimer
2019-11-05 15:27     ` handle_exit_race && PF_EXITING Oleg Nesterov
2019-11-05 17:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 17:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 18:56           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-05 19:19             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06  8:55               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-11-06  9:53                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 10:35                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-11-06 11:07                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 12:11                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-11-06 13:38                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 17:42                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 15:51                           ` Oleg Nesterov

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