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From: "Michael K. Edwards" <medwards.linux@gmail.com>
To: "Con Kolivas" <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: ray-gmail@madrabbit.org, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Nick Piggin" <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Matt Mackall" <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"William Lee Irwin III" <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	"Peter Williams" <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
	"Mike Galbraith" <efault@gmx.de>, "ck list" <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	"Bill Huey" <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:20:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f2b55d220704191720k761ffce2qa8cdb4cb58cc8c79@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200704200856.06387.kernel@kolivas.org>

On 4/19/07, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:
> The cpu scheduler core is a cpu bandwidth and latency
> proportionator and should be nothing more or less.

Not really.  The CPU scheduler is (or ought to be) what electric
utilities call an economic dispatch mechanism -- a real-time
controller whose goal is to service competing demands cost-effectively
from a limited supply, without compromising system stability.

If you live in the 1960's, coal and nuclear (and a little bit of
fig-leaf hydro) are all you have, it takes you twelve hours to bring
plants on and off line, and there's no live operational control or
pricing signal between you and your customers.  So you're stuck
running your system at projected peak + operating margin, dumping
excess power as waste heat most of the time, and browning or blacking
people out willy-nilly when there's excess demand.  Maybe you get to
trade off shedding the loads with the worst transmission efficiency
against degrading the customers with the most tolerance for brownouts
(or the least regulatory clout).  That's life without modern economic
dispatch.

If you live in 2007, natural gas and (outside the US) better control
over nuclear plants give you more ability to ramp supply up and down
with demand on something like a 15-minute cycle.  Better yet, you can
store a little energy "in the grid" to smooth out instantaneous demand
fluctuations; if you're lucky, you also have enough fast-twitch hydro
(thanks, Canada!) that you can run your coal and lame-ass nuclear very
close to base load even when gas is expensive, and even pump water
back uphill when demand dips.  (Coal is nasty stuff and a worse
contributor by far to radiation exposure than nuclear generation; but
on current trends it's going to last a lot longer than oil and gas,
and it's a lot easier to stockpile next to the generator.)

Best of all, you have industrial customers who will trade you live
control (within limits) over when and how much power they take in
return for a lower price per unit energy.  Some of them will even dump
power back into the grid when you ask them to.  So now the biggest
challenge in making supply and demand meet (in the short term) is to
damp all the different ways that a control feedback path might result
in an oscillation -- or in runaway pricing.  Because there's always
some asshole greedhead who will gamble with system stability in order
to game the pricing mechanism.  Lots of 'em, if you're in California
and your legislature is so dumb, or so bought, that they let the
asshole greedheads design the whole system so they can game it to the
max.  (But that's a whole 'nother rant.)

Embedded systems are already in 2007, and the mainline Linux scheduler
frankly sucks on them, because it thinks it's back in the 1960's with
a fixed supply and captive demand, pissing away "CPU bandwidth" as
waste heat.  Not to say it's an easy problem; even academics with a
dozen publications in this area don't seem to be able to model energy
usage to the nearest big O, let alone design a stable economic
dispatch engine.  But it helps to acknowledge what the problem is:
even in a 1960's raised-floor screaming-air-conditioners
screw-the-power-bill machine room, you can't actually run a
half-decent CPU flat out any more without burning it to a crisp.

You can act ignorant and let the PMIC brown you out when it has to.
Or you can start coping in mainline the way that organizations big
enough (and smart enough) to feel the heat in their pocketbooks do in
their pet kernels.  (Boo on Google for not sharing, and props to IBM
for doing their damnedest.)  And guess what?  The system will actually
get simpler, and stabler, and faster, and easier to maintain, because
it'll be based on a real theory of operation with equations and things
instead of a bunch of opaque, undocumented shotgun heuristics.

This hypothetical economic-dispatch scheduler will still _have_
heuristics, of course -- you can't begin to model a modern CPU
accurately on-line.  But they will be contained in _data_ rather than
_code_, and issues of numerical stability will be separated cleanly
from the rule set.  You'll be able to characterize the rule set's
domain of stability, given a conservative set of assumptions about the
feedback paths in the system under control, with the sort of
techniques they teach in the engineering schools that none of us (me
included) seem to have attended.  (I went to school thinking I was
going to be a physicist.  Wishful thinking -- but I was young and
stupid.  What's your excuse?  ;-)

OK, it feels better to have that off my chest.  Apologies to those
readers -- doubtless the vast majority of LKML, including everyone
else in this thread -- for whom it's irrelevant, pseudo-learned
pontification with no patch attached.  And my sincere thanks to Ingo,
Con, and really everyone else CC'ed, without whom Linux wouldn't be as
good as it is (really quite good, all things considered) and wouldn't
contribute as much as it does to my own livelihood.

Cheers,
- Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-20  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 571+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-13 20:21 [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS] Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 20:27 ` Bill Huey
2007-04-13 20:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 21:21     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 21:35       ` Bill Huey
2007-04-13 21:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 21:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 21:57 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-04-13 22:15 ` Daniel Walker
2007-04-13 22:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 22:37     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-13 23:59     ` Daniel Walker
2007-04-14 10:55       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 22:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 22:52   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 23:30     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 23:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 23:58         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-14 22:38   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-14 23:26     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-15  4:01     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-15  4:18       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-15 23:09     ` Pavel Pisa
2007-04-16  5:47       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-17  0:37         ` Pavel Pisa
2007-04-13 22:31 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-13 23:18   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 18:48     ` Bill Huey
2007-04-13 23:07 ` Gabriel C
2007-04-13 23:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-13 23:39     ` Gabriel C
2007-04-14  2:04 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-14  6:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14  6:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14  8:08       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14  8:36         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 10:53           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 13:01             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 13:27               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 14:45                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 16:14                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 16:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 17:15                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-14 17:29                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 17:44                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-14 17:54                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 18:18                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 18:40                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-14 19:01                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-15 17:55                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 18:06                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-15 19:20                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 19:35                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-15 19:57                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 23:54                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-16 11:24                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-16 13:46                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-15 19:37                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 17:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-15  7:54               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-15  8:58                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15  9:11                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-19  9:01               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19 12:54                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-19 15:18                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19 17:34                     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-19 18:45                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 10:31                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 10:38                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 10:45                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 11:07                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 11:29                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-04-21 11:51                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-19 23:52                     ` Jan Knutar
2007-04-20  5:05                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-19 17:32                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-14 15:17             ` Mark Lord
2007-04-14 19:48           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-14 20:12             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-14 10:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 15:09 ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-14 16:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-14 16:59     ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-15 16:13       ` Kaffeine problem with CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 16:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 16:55           ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-15 22:14             ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-18  8:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18  8:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18  9:06                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18  8:57               ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-18  9:01                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18  9:12                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-18  9:13                   ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-18  9:17                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18  9:25                       ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-18  9:28                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18  9:52                           ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-18 10:04                             ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-18 10:17                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 10:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 10:37                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 10:49                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 10:53                                 ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <19a3b7a80704180534w3688af87x78ee68cc1c330a5c@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <19a3b7a80704180555q4e0b26d5x54bbf34b4cd9d33e@mail.gmail.com>
2007-04-18 13:05                 ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-18 13:21                 ` Christoph Pfister
2007-04-18 13:25                   ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-18 15:48                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 16:07                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-18 16:14                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 21:08                       ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-18 21:12                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-20 19:31                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-21  8:36                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 15:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15  3:27 ` [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS] Con Kolivas
2007-04-15  5:16   ` Bill Huey
2007-04-15  8:44     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15  9:51       ` Bill Huey
2007-04-15 10:39         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-15 12:45           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-15 13:08             ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-04-15 17:32               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-15 17:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-15 19:00                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2007-04-15 22:52                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-16  2:28                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-16  3:15                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-16  3:34                           ` Nick Piggin
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2007-04-16  6:27                           ` [ck] " Nick Piggin
2007-04-15 15:26             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-16 15:55               ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-16 16:13                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17  0:04                 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17 13:07                 ` James Bruce
2007-04-17 20:05                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-15 15:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 15:47               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-16  5:27               ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16  6:23                 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16  6:40                   ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16  7:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-16  8:54                       ` Peter Williams
2007-04-15 15:16           ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-15 16:43             ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-15 16:58               ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-15 18:00                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-16  0:18                   ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-15 16:11     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-15  6:43   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-15  8:36     ` Bill Huey
2007-04-15  8:45       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-15  9:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-16 10:00         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 16:25       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-04-16  5:36         ` Bill Huey
2007-04-16  6:17           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  0:06     ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  2:29       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-17  3:40         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  4:01           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-17  3:43             ` [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely FairScheduler [CFS] David Lang
2007-04-17  4:14             ` [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS] Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  6:26               ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  9:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17 13:44                 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17 23:00                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-17 23:07                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 23:52                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-18  0:36                         ` Bill Huey
2007-04-18  2:39                     ` Peter Williams
2007-04-20 20:47                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-21  7:39                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-21  8:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-20 20:36             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-17  4:17           ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  4:29             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  5:53               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-17  6:10                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  6:09               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17  6:15                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  6:26                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17  7:01                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  8:23                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 22:23                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-17 21:39                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-17 23:23                         ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17 23:19                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-18  3:15                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18  3:45                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-18  3:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18  4:29                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-18  4:38                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-18  5:00                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18  5:55                               ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-18  6:37                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18  6:55                                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-18  7:24                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-21 13:33                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-18 13:08                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-18 19:48                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-18 14:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 15:23                                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-18 17:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 17:48                                       ` [ck] " Mark Glines
2007-04-18 19:27                                         ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-19  0:49                                           ` Peter Williams
2007-04-18 17:49                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 17:59                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 19:40                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 19:43                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 20:07                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-18 21:48                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 23:30                                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-19  8:00                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19 15:43                                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-21 14:09                                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-19 17:39                                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-19  6:52                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-19  7:09                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19  7:32                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-19 16:55                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-20  5:16                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-19  7:14                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-18 21:04                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 19:23                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 19:56                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-18 20:11                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-19  0:22                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-19  0:30                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 18:02                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-18 18:12                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 18:36                                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-19  0:37                                       ` Peter Williams
2007-04-18 19:05                                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-18 19:13                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-19  3:18                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-19  5:14                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-19  6:38                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19  7:57                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-19 11:50                                           ` Peter Williams
2007-04-20  5:26                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-20  6:16                                               ` Peter Williams
2007-04-19  8:33                                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-19 11:59                                         ` Renice X for cpu schedulers Con Kolivas
2007-04-19 12:42                                           ` Peter Williams
2007-04-19 13:20                                             ` Peter Williams
2007-04-19 14:22                                               ` Lee Revell
2007-04-20  1:32                                                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-20  5:25                                                   ` Bill Huey
2007-04-20  7:12                                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-20  8:21                                                       ` Bill Huey
2007-04-19 13:17                                           ` Mark Lord
2007-04-19 15:10                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-19 16:15                                               ` Mark Lord
2007-04-19 18:21                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-20  0:17                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-20  1:17                                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-04-20  1:27                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-20  3:57                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-21 14:55                                               ` Mark Lord
2007-04-22 12:54                                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-04-22 12:58                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-19 18:16                                           ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-19 21:35                                             ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-19 22:47                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-20  2:00                                               ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-20  2:01                                               ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-20  5:24                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-19 19:26                                           ` Ray Lee
2007-04-19 22:56                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-20  0:20                                               ` Michael K. Edwards [this message]
2007-04-20  5:34                                                 ` Bill Huey
2007-04-20  0:56                                               ` Ray Lee
2007-04-20  4:09                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 15:50                                               ` Ray Lee
2007-04-24 16:23                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-21 13:40                                   ` [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS] Bill Davidsen
2007-04-17  6:50                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-17  7:09                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17  7:22                       ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  7:23                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  7:27                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-17  7:33                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  7:33                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17  7:40                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  7:58                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17  9:05                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17  9:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17  9:57                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 10:01                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17 11:31                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 22:08                             ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-17 22:32                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 22:39                                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-17 22:59                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 22:57                                     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-18  4:29                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-18  4:42                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-18  7:29                                       ` James Bruce
2007-04-17  7:11                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  7:21                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-17  6:23               ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  6:44                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  7:48                   ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  7:56                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17 13:16                       ` Peter Williams
2007-04-18  4:46                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  8:44                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19  2:20                   ` Peter Williams
2007-04-15 15:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 20:05     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-15 20:48       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-15 21:31         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-16  3:03           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-16 14:28             ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-17  3:31               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17 17:35                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-16 15:45           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-15 23:39         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-16  1:06           ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16  3:04             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-16  5:09               ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16 11:04                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-16 12:55                   ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16 23:10                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-17  3:55                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  4:25                         ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  4:34                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  6:03                             ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17  6:14                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17  6:23                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  9:36                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17  8:24                         ` William Lee Irwin III
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2007-04-17  8:00                                   ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17 10:41                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-17 13:48                                       ` Peter Williams
2007-04-18  0:27                                         ` Peter Williams
2007-04-18  2:03                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-18  2:31                                             ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16 17:22             ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-17  0:54               ` Peter Williams
2007-04-17 15:52                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-17 23:50                   ` Peter Williams
2007-04-18  5:43                     ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-18 13:00                       ` Peter Williams
2007-04-16  5:16     ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-16  5:48       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-15 12:29 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-04-15 13:04   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-16  7:16     ` Esben Nielsen
2007-04-15 22:49 ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-04-15 23:23   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-04-15 23:33     ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-04-16 11:58   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-16 12:02     ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-04-16 22:00 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 21:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-16 21:21     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-17  7:56 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-17  9:32   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-17  9:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-17 11:11       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18  8:55       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18  9:33         ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-18 12:14           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18 12:33             ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-18 21:49               ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-18  9:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 12:13           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18 12:49             ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-19  3:28               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-18 10:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 15:58 ` CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy (was: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]) Christian Hesse
2007-04-18 16:46   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 20:45     ` CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy Christian Hesse
2007-04-18 21:16       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 21:57         ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-18 22:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 22:22             ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-19  1:37               ` [Suspend2-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-18 22:56             ` Bob Picco
2007-04-19  1:43               ` [Suspend2-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-19  6:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19 11:10                 ` Bob Picco
2007-04-19  1:52             ` [Suspend2-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-19  7:04               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19  9:05                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-24 20:23                 ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Pavel Machek
2007-04-24 20:41                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-24 20:51                     ` Hua Zhong
2007-04-24 20:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 21:29                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-24 22:24                         ` Ray Lee
2007-04-25 21:41                         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-26 11:27                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 19:04                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-24 21:24                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-24 23:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25  1:06                         ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-25  6:41                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25  7:29                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25  7:48                             ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2007-04-25  8:10                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25  8:22                                 ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2007-04-26 11:12                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-26 14:48                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26 16:10                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-04-26 19:28                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26 20:16                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 20:37                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26 20:49                                             ` David Lang
2007-04-26 20:55                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 21:22                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26 22:08                                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-25  8:48                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-25 13:07                             ` Federico Heinz
2007-04-25 19:38                             ` Kenneth Crudup
2007-04-25  7:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25  8:48                           ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-25  8:50                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-25  9:07                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-25  9:19                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 18:18                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-25  9:02                           ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2:hang " Romano Giannetti
2007-04-25 19:16                             ` suspend2 merge Martin Steigerwald
2007-04-25 15:18                           ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Adrian Bunk
2007-04-25 17:34                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 18:39                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-25 18:50                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 19:02                                   ` Hua Zhong
2007-04-25 19:25                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-25 19:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 20:08                                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 20:33                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-25 20:31                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27 10:21                                             ` driver power operations (was Re: suspend2 merge) Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 12:06                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 12:40                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27 12:46                                                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 12:50                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-27 14:34                                               ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-04-27 14:39                                                 ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 14:49                                                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 15:20                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 15:27                                                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 15:52                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 18:34                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 15:41                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 15:12                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 15:24                                                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 15:56                                               ` David Brownell
2007-04-27 18:31                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-07 12:29                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 22:36                                         ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Manu Abraham
2007-04-25 20:20                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-25 20:24                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 21:30                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 21:40                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-25 21:46                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 22:22                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-25 20:23                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-25 22:19                                         ` Kenneth Crudup
2007-04-27 12:36                                       ` suspend2 merge Martin Steigerwald
2007-04-25 19:41                                     ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Andrew Morton
2007-04-25 19:55                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 22:13                                     ` Kenneth Crudup
2007-04-26  1:25                                     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-04-25 23:33                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-26  1:56                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  7:27                                       ` David Lang
2007-04-26  9:45                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-25 18:52                               ` Alon Bar-Lev
2007-04-25 22:11                               ` Kenneth Crudup
2007-04-25 19:43                           ` Kenneth Crudup
2007-04-25 20:08                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 20:27                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 20:44                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 21:07                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-25 21:44                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 22:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 22:27                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-25 22:55                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 23:13                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 23:29                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 23:45                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26  1:48                                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  1:40                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  2:04                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  2:13                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  3:03                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  3:34                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26  2:31                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 10:39                                           ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 11:30                                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 11:41                                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 16:31                                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 18:40                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26 18:40                                                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 19:02                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27  9:41                                                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 10:09                                                         ` [linux-pm] " Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 10:18                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 10:19                                                           ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-27 12:09                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-27 12:07                                                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-25 22:42                                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 22:58                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 22:43                                       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-25 23:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 22:49                                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 23:10                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 23:28                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 23:57                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 22:57                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-25 23:20                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 23:52                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26  0:05                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  0:14                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25 23:51                                                 ` David Lang
2007-04-26  0:38                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  2:04                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-26  2:32                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 13:14                                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 16:02                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26  0:34                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 20:12                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-26  0:24                                           ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26  1:10                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 14:04                                               ` Mark Lord
2007-04-26 16:10                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 21:00                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26  7:08                                             ` Andy Grover
2007-04-26  0:41                               ` Thomas Orgis
2007-05-26 17:37                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-05-26 20:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-05-26 22:23                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-04-26 10:17                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 10:30                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 10:40                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 11:11                             ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 11:16                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 11:27                                 ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 11:26                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 11:35                                     ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 11:33                                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 16:14                                       ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-26 16:27                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 17:11                                         ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 15:56                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 21:06                                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-26 21:12                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-26 13:45                             ` Johannes Berg
2007-06-29 22:44                               ` [PATCH] move suspend includes into right place (was Re: suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)) Pavel Machek
2007-06-30  0:06                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-26 11:04                           ` suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Johannes Berg
2007-04-26 11:09                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 15:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-26 18:21                               ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-26 21:30                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-26 11:35                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 12:15                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-26 12:41                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-18 22:16           ` CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy Ingo Molnar
2007-04-18 23:12             ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-19  6:28               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19 20:32                 ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-19  6:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19  9:32     ` CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy (was: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]) Esben Nielsen
2007-04-19 10:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-19 10:18         ` Ingo Molnar

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