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From: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
To: Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Russell King <rmk+kernel@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 13:54:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f6c84094-6eb4-497f-0877-c61c2d031fc0@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170712092755.GD1679@vireshk-i7>



On 12/07/17 10:27, Viresh Kumar wrote:
> On 12-07-17, 10:31, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> So the problem with the thread is two-fold; one the one hand we like the
>> scheduler to directly set frequency, but then we need to schedule a task
>> to change the frequency, which will change the frequency and around we
>> go.
>>
>> On the other hand, there's very nasty issues with PI. This thread would
>> have very high priority (otherwise the SCHED_DEADLINE stuff won't work)
>> but that then means this thread needs to boost the owner of the i2c
>> mutex. And that then creates a massive bandwidth accounting hole.
>>
>>
>> The advantage of using an interrupt driven state machine is that all
>> those issues go away.
>>
>> But yes, whichever way around you turn things, its crap. But given the
>> hardware its the best we can do.
> 
> Thanks for the explanation Peter.
> 
> IIUC, it will take more time to change the frequency eventually with
> the interrupt-driven state machine as there may be multiple bottom
> halves involved here, for supply, clk, etc, which would run at normal
> priorities now. And those were boosted currently due to the high
> priority sugov thread. And we are fine with that (from performance
> point of view) ?
> 
> Coming back to where we started from (where should we call
> arch_set_freq_scale() from ?).
> 
> I think we would still need some kind of synchronization between
> cpufreq core and the cpufreq drivers to make sure we don't start
> another freq change before the previous one is complete. Otherwise
> the cpufreq drivers would be required to have similar support with
> proper locking in place.
> 

Good point, but with firmware interface we are considering fro
fast-switch, the firmware can override the previous request if it's not
yet started. So I assume that's fine and expected ?

> And if the core is going to get notified about successful freq changes
> (which it should IMHO),

Is that mandatory for even fast-switching ?

-- 
Regards,
Sudeep

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-13 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-06  9:49 [PATCH v2 00/10] arm, arm64: frequency- and cpu-invariant accounting support for task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] drivers base/arch_topology: free cpumask cpus_to_visit Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:22   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06 10:59     ` Juri Lelli
2017-07-06 11:15       ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-07 15:50         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:40   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06 22:38     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-07 16:01     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-07 16:18       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-07 17:06         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-08 12:09           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-10  6:54             ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-10 12:46               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-11  6:39                 ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-11 15:21                   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-13 12:40                     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-07-13 13:08                       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-13 14:06                         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-07-10  9:30             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  9:42               ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-10 10:31                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-10 12:02             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-11  6:01               ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-11 15:06                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-11 14:59                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-11 15:12                     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-12  4:09                   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-12  8:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12  9:27                       ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-12 11:14                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 23:13                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-13  7:49                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13  8:48                             ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-13 11:15                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 14:04                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-07-13 14:42                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 15:00                               ` Sudeep Holla
2017-07-13 12:54                         ` Sudeep Holla [this message]
2017-07-13 12:49                     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-07-10  6:40       ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] drivers base/arch_topology: " Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:45   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-07 16:51     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] arm: wire cpufreq input data for frequency-invariant accounting up to the arch Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:42   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-10 15:13     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-11  6:32       ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] arm: wire frequency-invariant accounting support up to the task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:46   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] arm: wire cpu-invariant " Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:47   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] arm64: wire cpufreq input data for frequency-invariant accounting up to the arch Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:48   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] arm64: wire frequency-invariant accounting support up to the task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:48   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] arm64: wire cpu-invariant " Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:49   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-06  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] drivers base/arch_topology: inline cpu- and frequency-invariant accounting Dietmar Eggemann
2017-07-06 10:57   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-07-10 15:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann

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