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From: Sarthak Sharma <sarthak.sharma@arm.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, ljs@kernel.org,
	liam@infradead.org, vbabka@kernel.org, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, shuah@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/8] selftests/mm: check MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT range handling
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2026 10:18:58 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f74f6e87-1a6e-4b45-934b-d13fdb0c6ddc@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <atIvbzEGUcyCqdC7@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>



On 10/16/26 7:37 PM, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2026 at 09:22:54AM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2026 at 05:47:57PM +0530, Sarthak Sharma wrote:
>>>> +/*
>>>> + * An unmapped gap in the range makes either hint fail with ENOMEM, after
>>>> + * advising the mapped pages on both sides of the gap. Only MADV_PAGEOUT has
>>>> + * an effect on those pages that the test can observe.
>>>> + */
>>>> +TEST_F(madvise, unmapped_gap_fails_after_advising)
>>>> +{
>>>> +	char *mapping, *control;
>>>> +	bool swapped = false;
>>>> +	int retry;
>>>> +
>>>> +	pin_to_current_cpu(_metadata);
>>>> +
>>>> +	/* Make sure MADV_PAGEOUT can swap at all before relying on it. */
>>>> +	control = mmap(NULL, page_size, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE,
>>>> +		       MAP_PRIVATE | MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0);
>>>> +	ASSERT_NE(control, MAP_FAILED);
>>>> +	control[0] = 1;
>>>> +	if (!pageout_until_swapped(_metadata, control, page_size,
>>>> +				   self->pagemap_fd))
>>>> +		SKIP(return, "MADV_PAGEOUT did not swap the page");
>>>
>>> This test is checking for both MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT. So if we skip
>>> here because we couldn't pageout, then we don't test for MADV_COLD
>>> behaviour at all. Do we want it this way, or should the tests for both
>>> of these be separate?
>>>
>>
>> If swap is off, the behavior of COLD and PAGEOUT look pretty much the
>> same, and we can't actually test them meaningfully.
>>
>> We check that madvise(COLD) returns -1, but that's also largely
>> meaningless if this initial pageout_until_swapped() call fails.
>>
>> At least that's my thought.  If you think I should split it, I can.
>>
> 
> on second look, i will just move the cold checks above the rest, since
> they're mostly checking failure paths.  those are mostly unchanging
> regardless of swap status.
> 
> so basically no need to split, just a mild reorder.

Yes that would cover MADV_COLD testing even when we can't swap.

Just thinking out here. Say if MADV_COLD fails, do we lose out on
MADV_PAGEOUT coverage in that case? Or is it meaningless to test for
pageout if MADV_COLD fails?

Also, say MADV_COLD passes, but we can't swap, then the test will report
a SKIP. We know that if it reaches a skip, then MADV_COLD must have
passed, but the ksft counters won't report that. So I would still prefer
separate tests from a test reporting POV, but I don't insist strongly,
it's upto you :)

> 
> ~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-19  4:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-14 17:57 [PATCH 0/8] selftests/mm: add MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT contract tests Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 1/8] " Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-19  4:59   ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 2/8] selftests/mm: check that MADV_PAGEOUT skips holes and swapped pages Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-19  5:00   ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 3/8] selftests/mm: check MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT range handling Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-14 21:31   ` [PATCH] fixup! " Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-16 12:17   ` [PATCH 3/8] " Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-16 13:22     ` Gregory Price
2026-10-16 14:07       ` Gregory Price
2026-10-19  4:48         ` Sarthak Sharma [this message]
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 4/8] selftests/mm: check that MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT reject hugetlb Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-19  5:02   ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 5/8] selftests/mm: check that MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT preserve shared memory Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-19  5:13   ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 6/8] selftests/mm: check MADV_COLD and MADV_PAGEOUT on partly advised THPs Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-19  5:16   ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 7/8] selftests/mm: check MADV_PAGEOUT file permissions Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-16 12:18   ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-16 13:48     ` Gregory Price
2026-10-19  4:51       ` Sarthak Sharma
2026-10-14 17:57 ` [PATCH 8/8] selftests/mm: check that unauthorized MADV_PAGEOUT skips large file folios Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-10-14 21:26   ` Gregory Price
2026-10-19  5:19   ` Sarthak Sharma

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