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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org
Cc: roberto.sassu@huawei.com, mapengyu@gmail.com,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/5] tpm: flush the auth session only when /dev/tpm0 is open
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:40:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f9e2072909d462af72a9f3833b2d76e50894e70a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D4EPQPFA8RGN.2PO6UNTDFI6IT@kernel.org>

On Tue, 2024-09-24 at 21:07 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue Sep 24, 2024 at 4:43 PM EEST, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Sat, 2024-09-21 at 15:08 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > Instead of flushing and reloading the auth session for every
> > > single transaction, keep the session open unless /dev/tpm0 is
> > > used. In practice this means applying TPM2_SA_CONTINUE_SESSION to
> > > the session attributes. Flush the session always when /dev/tpm0
> > > is written.
> > 
> > Patch looks fine but this description is way too terse to explain
> > how it works.
> > 
> > I would suggest:
> > 
> > Boot time elongation as a result of adding sessions has been
> > reported as an issue in
> > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219229
> > 
> > The root cause is the addition of session overhead to
> > tpm2_pcr_extend().  This overhead can be reduced by not creating
> > and destroying a session for each invocation of the function.  Do
> > this by keeping a session resident in the TPM for reuse by any
> > session based TPM command.  The current flow of TPM commands in the
> > kernel supports this because tpm2_end_session() is only called for
> > tpm errors because most commands don't continue the session and
> > expect the session to be flushed on success.  Thus we can add the
> > continue session flag to session creation to ensure the session
> > won't be flushed except on error, which is a rare case.
> 
> I need to disagree on this as I don't even have PCR extends in my
> boot sequence and it still adds overhead. Have you verified this
> from the reporter?
> 
> There's bunch of things that use auth session, like trusted keys.
> Making such claim that PCR extend is the reason is nonsense.

Well, the bug report does say it's the commit adding sessions to the
PCR extends that causes the delay:

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219229#c5

I don't know what else to tell you.

James


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-24 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-21 12:08 [PATCH v5 0/5] Lazy flush for the auth session Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 12:08 ` [PATCH v5 1/5] tpm: Return on tpm2_create_null_primary() failure Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-03 14:57   ` Stefan Berger
2024-10-07 23:47     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 12:08 ` [PATCH v5 2/5] tpm: Implement tpm2_load_null() rollback Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-03 15:27   ` Stefan Berger
2024-09-21 12:08 ` [PATCH v5 3/5] tpm: flush the null key only when /dev/tpm0 is accessed Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 12:08 ` [PATCH v5 4/5] tpm: Allocate chip->auth in tpm2_start_auth_session() Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 13:33   ` James Bottomley
2024-09-24 16:13     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 18:13     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 12:08 ` [PATCH v5 5/5] tpm: flush the auth session only when /dev/tpm0 is open Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 13:43   ` James Bottomley
2024-09-24 16:13     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 18:07     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 18:40       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2024-09-24 21:35         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 21:51           ` James Bottomley
2024-09-25  7:42             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-25  7:46               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-25  7:53                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 12:36 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] Lazy flush for the auth session Paul Menzel
2024-09-21 13:13   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-21 14:38     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-22 17:51 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 13:48   ` James Bottomley
2024-09-24 16:29     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 16:33       ` James Bottomley
2024-09-24 16:36         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 17:26           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 17:28             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-09-24 18:01               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-01 18:10   ` Mimi Zohar
2024-10-07 23:45     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-03 15:14 ` Stefan Berger
2024-10-07 23:49   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-11 14:06 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-11 16:10   ` Roberto Sassu
2024-10-11 16:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-12 10:56       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-14 11:45         ` Mimi Zohar
2024-10-14 12:34           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-10-15 20:08             ` Mimi Zohar
2024-10-15 22:14               ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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