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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Peter Collingbourne' <pcc@google.com>,
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Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v4 0/7] kernel: introduce uaccess logging
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 17:23:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fce9898e392f42a0830892a1735deb3e@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211209221545.2333249-1-pcc@google.com>

From: Peter Collingbourne
> Sent: 09 December 2021 22:16
> 
> This patch series introduces a kernel feature known as uaccess
> logging, which allows userspace programs to be made aware of the
> address and size of uaccesses performed by the kernel during
> the servicing of a syscall. More details on the motivation
> for and interface to this feature are available in the file
> Documentation/admin-guide/uaccess-logging.rst added by the final
> patch in the series.

How does this work when get_user() and put_user() are used to
do optimised copies?

While adding checks to copy_to/from_user() is going to have
a measurable performance impact - even if nothing is done,
adding them to get/put_user() (and friends) is going to
make some hot paths really slow.

So maybe you could add it so KASAN test kernels, but you can't
sensibly enable it on a production kernel.

Now, it might be that you could semi-sensibly log 'data' transfers.
But have you actually looked at all the transfers that happen
for something like sendmsg().
The 'user copy hardening' code already has a significant impact
on that code (in many places).


	David

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-11 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-09 22:15 Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] include: split out uaccess instrumentation into a separate header Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-10 12:45   ` Marco Elver
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] uaccess-buffer: add core code Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-10  3:52   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2021-12-10 12:39   ` Marco Elver
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] fs: use copy_from_user_nolog() to copy mount() data Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] uaccess-buffer: add CONFIG_GENERIC_ENTRY support Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-11 11:50   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-12-16  1:25     ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-16 13:05       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-12-17  0:09         ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-17 18:42           ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-10 21:43             ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] arm64: add support for uaccess logging Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] Documentation: document " Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-09 22:15 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] selftests: test " Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-10 13:30   ` Marco Elver
2021-12-11 17:23 ` David Laight [this message]
2021-12-13 19:48   ` [PATCH v4 0/7] kernel: introduce " Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-13 23:07     ` David Laight
2021-12-14  3:47       ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-12-15  4:27         ` Peter Collingbourne

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