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From: "Chuyi Zhou" <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>
To: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
	 <luto@kernel.org>, <peterz@infradead.org>, <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	 <muchun.song@linux.dev>, <bp@alien8.de>,
	<dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,  <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	<bigeasy@linutronix.de>, <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	 <rostedt@goodmis.org>, <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	<vkuznets@redhat.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 04/14] smp: Use task-local IPI cpumask in smp_call_function_many_cond()
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2026 08:52:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fecfee2c-0847-4ba6-843e-28efa681b89a@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a4shi0ix.ffs@fw13>

On 2026-06-27 3:07 a.m., Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26 2026 at 23:47, Chuyi Zhou wrote:
>> On 2026-06-26 10:29 p.m., Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>>> -	err = scs_prepare(tsk, node);
>>>> +	err = smp_task_ipi_mask_alloc(tsk);
>>>
>>> Hrm. So we unconditionally allocate another per task CPU mask. How many
>>> task actually utilize it?
>>>
>>> We keep making task_struct and the related things larger every other
>>> release without actually looking at the resulting overall memory
>>> consumption.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, this is a fair concern.
>>
>> The task-local cpumask approach came from the earlier discussion with
>> Sebastian and Nadav. The problem we tried to solve there was the
>> lifetime of the wait mask once the later patch re-enables preemption
>> before csd_lock_wait(). At that point the wait mask can no longer be the
>> per-CPU cfd->cpumask: the task may be preempted or migrate while it is
>> still iterating the mask, and another task running on the original CPU
>> could enter smp_call_function_many_cond() and reuse that per-CPU mask.
>>
>> I agree that the memory cost needs to be called out explicitly. The
>> current implementation trades one task-local cpumask for a stable mask
>> lifetime and avoids adding allocation/failure handling to the generic
>> IPI path.
>>
>> I considered avoiding the fork-time allocation, but the alternatives do
>> not look straightforward:
>>
>> - stack storage is not suitable for large NR_CPUS/CPUMASK_OFFSTACK
>> configurations;
>>
>> - per-CPU storage is exactly what becomes unsafe once the wait is made
>> preemptible;
>>
>> - allocating the mask in smp_call_function_many_cond() would put an
>> allocation in the generic IPI path. It also cannot rely on a sleeping
>> allocation because this function is entered from contexts which have
>> historically only required preemption to be disabled. Using GFP_ATOMIC
>> would need a failure/fallback path, in which case the latency
>> improvement becomes opportunistic rather than guaranteed.
>>
>> For the motivating x86 TLB flush paths, the users are also not a small
>> static set of tasks. Ordinary tasks can hit this through exit, unmap,
>> reclaim, etc., so I do not see a clean way to allocate this only for a
>> pre-identifiable subset of tasks.
> 
> I understand that, but this all wants to be spelled out in the change
> log and explained.


Understood. Thanks for going through the series and for the detailed review.

I will fold this into the changelog and spell out:

- why the wait mask needs task-local lifetime once csd_lock_wait()
becomes preemptible;

- why per-CPU, stack, and in-call allocation are not good fits here;

- why this is not limited to a small, pre-identifiable set of tasks.
On x86, ordinary tasks can hit smp_call_function_many_cond() through
TLB flush paths such as exit, unmap and reclaim;

- the memory cost, including the inline case for small CPU counts and 
the cpumask_size() allocation on larger systems.

I will also address your comments on the other patches in the next version.

Thanks

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-27  0:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-16 11:11 [PATCH v8 00/14] Allow preemption during IPI completion waiting to improve real-time performance Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 01/14] smp: Disable preemption explicitly in __csd_lock_wait() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 13:38   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 02/14] smp: Enable preemption early in smp_call_function_single() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 13:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 03/14] smp: Refactor remote CPU selection in smp_call_function_any() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 13:49   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 04/14] smp: Use task-local IPI cpumask in smp_call_function_many_cond() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:29   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-26 15:47     ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 16:07       ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 19:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-27  0:52         ` Chuyi Zhou [this message]
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 05/14] smp: Alloc percpu csd data in smpcfd_prepare_cpu() only once Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 06/14] smp: Enable preemption early in smp_call_function_many_cond() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 07/14] smp: Remove preempt_disable() from smp_call_function() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:42   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 08/14] smp: Remove preempt_disable() from on_each_cpu_cond_mask() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 09/14] scftorture: Remove preempt_disable() in scftorture_invoke_one() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 10/14] x86/mm: Factor out flush_tlb_info initialization Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 13:14   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 11/14] x86/mm: Cap flush_tlb_info alignment at 64 bytes Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 13:20   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 15:36     ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:49   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 12/14] x86/mm: Move flush_tlb_info back to the stack Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:57   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 13/14] x86/kvm: Disable preemption in kvm_flush_tlb_multi() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 13:46   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 14/14] x86/mm: Re-enable preemption before flush_tlb_multi() Chuyi Zhou

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