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From: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
Cc: "Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>,
	"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Chengming Zhou" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	"Josh Don" <joshdon@google.com>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Xi Wang" <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Chuyi Zhou" <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	"Jan Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"Florian Bezdeka" <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>,
	"Songtang Liu" <liusongtang@bytedance.com>,
	"Chen Yu" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	"Matteo Martelli" <matteo.martelli@codethink.co.uk>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Prevent cfs_rq from being unthrottled with zero runtime_remaining
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 15:49:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff16098b-00ff-80ee-5130-f1327b0af17d@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251016065438.GA32@bytedance>


Hi Aaron,

On 2025/10/16 14:54, Aaron Lu wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 06:21:01PM +0800, Hao Jia wrote:
>> On 2025/10/15 16:40, Aaron Lu wrote:
> ... ...
>>> Hao Jia,
>>>
>>> Do I understand you correctly that you can only hit the newly added
>>> debug warn in tg_unthrottle_up():
>>> WARN_ON_ONCE(cfs_rq->runtime_enabled && cfs_rq->runtime_remaining <= 0);
>>> but not throttle triggered on unthrottle path?
>>>
>>
>> yes. but I'm not sure if there are other corner cases where
>> cfs_rq->runtime_remaining <= 0 and cfs_rq->curr is NULL.
>>
> 
> Right, I'm not aware of any but might be possible.
> 
>>> BTW, I think your change has the advantage of being straightforward and
>>> easy to reason about. My concern is, it's not efficient to enqueue tasks
>>> to a cfs_rq that has no runtime left, not sure how big a deal that is
>>> though.
>>
>> Yes, but that's what we're doing now. The case described above involves
>> enqueue a task where cfs_rq->runtime_remaining <= 0.
>>
>> I previously tried adding a runtime_remaining check for each level of task
>> p's cfs_rq in unthrottle_cfs_rq()/tg_unthrottle_up(), but this made the code
>> strange and complicated.
> 
> Agree that adding a runtime_remaining check for each level in
> unthrottle_cfs_rq() looks too complex.
> 
> So I think you approach is fine, feel free to submit a formal patch.
> With your change, theoretically we do not need to do those
> runtime_remaining check in unthrottle_cfs_rq() but keeping that check
> could save us some unnecessary enqueues, so I'll leave it to you to
> decide if you want to keep it or not. If you want to keep it, please
> also change its comments because the current comments will be stale
> then.
> 

Thank you for your suggestion. I'll send a formal patch later.

I'm also happy for you to submit a patch for the next version. This 
warning needs to be fixed, regardless of the method.

However, I've discovered a minor bug in your current patch.

In kernel/sched/core.c tg_set_cfs_bandwidth()

...
if (cfs_rq->runtime_enabled && !cfs_rq->throttled) {
     update_rq_clock(rq);   <----
     throttle_cfs_rq(cfs_rq);
}
...

Call update_rq_clock() to avoid the warning about using an outdated 
rq_clock in tg_throttle_down()->rq_clock_pelt().

Thanks,
Hao

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16  7:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-29  7:46 Aaron Lu
2025-09-29  9:34 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-29 10:55   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  7:56   ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30  8:58     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-30  9:27       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 11:07       ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 12:39         ` Aaron Lu
2025-09-30 13:38         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-01 11:58           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14  7:43 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14  9:11   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-14 11:01     ` Hao Jia
2025-10-14 11:50       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  1:43         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  1:48           ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  2:51           ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15  6:31             ` Hao Jia
2025-10-15  8:40               ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-15 10:21                 ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16  6:54                   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16  7:49                     ` Hao Jia [this message]
2025-10-16  9:23                       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-16 11:04                         ` Hao Jia
2025-10-16 11:46                           ` Aaron Lu

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