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From: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
To: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>
Cc: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Tianchen Ding <dtcccc@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"open list:SCHEDULER" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Do not specialcase SCHED_IDLE cpus in select slowpath
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 15:41:57 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fffe9509-6260-43e9-95e6-f4aa6780bb7a@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABk29Ntuzux+AYEhuDO0EPKEupAEsQ+=OwfSi8VrtUmUXZbHEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/13/25 3:24 AM, Josh Don wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>> False positives are possible, but the possibility can be reduced by
>> optimizing blooming setup.
> 
> An interesting approach, thanks for sharing. Not that it matters
> (given that we're not pursuing this now), but just to call out that
> this has poor scaling with large cgroup hierarchies and updates to
> cgroup idle state, so in an actual implementation it would be ideal to
> do the updates asynchronously from sched_group_set_idle (ie. via a
> kworker).

Good idea. Async update makes sense since sched_idle_cpu() is not
required 100% correct, and with this we also can join several updates
into one.

> 
> We could also greatly simplify this down if we assume certain
> contrived setups, for example if we assume we primarily care about
> sched_idle cpu preemption against only root-level sched_idle cgroups
> (as everything inside a root-level sched_idle cgroup is trivially
> preemptible by a task from another hierarchy). But obviously your
> cgroup setup doesn't fall under this category, so it is not very
> useful.
> 
>> I chose the simplest way for now to workaround the issue we encountered,
>> while I am still trying to do something to get rid of sched_idle_cpu().
>> Thoughts?
> 
> That sounds reasonable to me.
> 
> Reviewed-by: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>

Thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-13  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-10  7:40 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Prioritize idle cpus over SCHED_IDLE ones Abel Wu
2025-03-10  7:40 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] Revert "sched/fair: Make sched-idle CPU selection consistent throughout" Abel Wu
2025-03-11 16:58   ` Vincent Guittot
2025-03-13  7:17     ` Abel Wu
2025-03-19  9:17       ` Vincent Guittot
2025-03-19 10:36         ` Abel Wu
2025-03-19 10:58           ` Vincent Guittot
2025-03-20 14:35             ` Abel Wu
2025-03-10  7:40 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Do not specialcase SCHED_IDLE cpus in select slowpath Abel Wu
2025-03-10 22:38   ` Josh Don
2025-03-11 16:43     ` Abel Wu
2025-03-12 19:24       ` Josh Don
2025-03-13  7:41         ` Abel Wu [this message]
2025-03-10  8:25 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Prioritize idle cpus over SCHED_IDLE ones Abel Wu
2025-03-19  6:52 ` Abel Wu

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