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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/15] x86_64: Optimize percpu accesses
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:20:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1d4lmk5lg.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080709141044.60a0753e@infradead.org> (Arjan van de Ven's message of "Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:10:44 -0700")

Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> writes:

>> I think the unification is valid and useful, and that trying to keep
>> that stupid stack canary working is currently more trouble then it is
>> worth.
>
> I think that "unification over everything" is stupid, especially if it
> removes useful features.

After looking at this some more any solution that actually works will
enable us to make the stack canary work, as we have a 32bit offset to
deal with.  So there is no point in killing the feature.

That said I have no sympathy for a thread local variable that is
compiled as an absolute symbol instead of using the proper thread
local markup.  The implementation of -fstack-protector however useful
still appears to be a nasty hack, ignoring decades of best practice in
how to implement things.

Do you have a clue who we need to bug on the gcc team to get the
compiler to implement a proper TLS version of -fstack-protector?

- Unification over everything is stupid.  
- Interesting features that disregard decades implementation experience
  are also stupid.

Since we know that the code stack_canary is always a part of the
executable.  Being a fundamental part of glibc and libpthreads etc.
We can use the local exec model for tls storage.  The local exec model
means the compiler should be able to output code such as 
"movq %fs:stack_canary@tpoff, %rax" to read the stack canary in user space.
Instead it emits the much more stupid "movq "%fs:40, %rax".   Not even
letting the linker have a say in the placement of the variable.

So we either need to update the gcc code to do something proper or
someone needs to update the sysv tls abi spec so %fs:40 joins %fs:0 in
the ranks of magic address in thread local storage, so that other
compilers can reliably use offset 40, and no one will have an excuse
for changing it in the future.  Frankly I think updating the ABI is
the wrong solution but it at least it would document this stupidity.

Does -fstack-protector compiled code even fail to run with gcc that
does not implement a thread local variable at %fs:40?  Or does it
just silently break.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-09 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 190+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-09 16:51 Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 01/15] x86_64: Cleanup early setup_percpu references Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 02/15] x86_64: Fold pda into per cpu area Mike Travis
2008-07-09 22:02   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-13 17:54     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-14 14:24       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 03/15] x86_64: Reference zero-based percpu variables offset from gs Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 04/15] x86_64: Replace cpu_pda ops with percpu ops Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 05/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations with x86_xxx_percpu() Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 06/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_current_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 07/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_hardirq_64_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 08/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_mmu_context_64_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 09/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_percpu_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 10/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_smp_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 11/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_stackprotector_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 12/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_thread_info_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 13/15] x86_64: Replace xxx_pda() operations in include_asm-x86_topology_h Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 14/15] x86_64: Remove xxx_pda() operations Mike Travis
2008-07-09 16:51 ` [RFC 15/15] x86_64: Remove cpu_pda() macro Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:19 ` [RFC 00/15] x86_64: Optimize percpu accesses H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 17:40   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:42     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 18:05       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:44   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:09     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:30       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 19:34       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 19:44         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:26           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-09 21:03         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 21:23         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-25 15:49     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-25 16:08       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-25 16:46         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-25 16:58           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-25 18:12             ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 17:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 17:39   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 17:51     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:14       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:22         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:31           ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 19:08             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:02     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 18:26         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:34           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 18:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 18:48             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:53               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 19:07                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 19:32                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 19:45                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 19:52                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 20:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:09                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:05                         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 19:44                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 19:48                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 18:27         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 18:46           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:22             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 20:35               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:53                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 21:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 21:16                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:10               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 23:20                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2008-07-09 18:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 18:00   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 19:05     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:55   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 21:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 20:05   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 20:11     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:18       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 20:33         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:42           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:48             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 21:16                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:20                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:25           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-09 21:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:41             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 22:22             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 22:32               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 23:36                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10  0:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10  0:24                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 14:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 14:26                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 15:26                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 15:42                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:24                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 16:33                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:45                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:33                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:42                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:53                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:55                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 20:52                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 20:58                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 21:03                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11  0:55                                                 ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 21:05                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 21:22                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 21:29                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11  0:12                                                   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-11  0:14                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11  0:58                                                       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-11  1:41                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11 15:37                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-11  0:42                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-11 15:36                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:53                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 17:26                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 17:38                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 19:11                                     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 19:12                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 17:46                                   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 17:51                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 19:09                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 19:18                                       ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 19:32                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 23:37                                           ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 20:17                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 20:24                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-10 21:33                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-11  1:39                                           ` Mike Travis
2008-07-11  2:57                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10  0:23                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:35         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:39       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 20:44         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:50           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:12             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 21:26               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:37                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 22:10               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 22:23                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 23:54                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 16:22                     ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 16:25                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:35                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 16:39                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 16:47                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:21                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:31                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:48                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 18:00                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 17:20                         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 17:07                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:12                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:25                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 17:34                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 17:41                         ` Mike Travis
2008-07-10 18:01                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 20:51                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 20:58                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 21:07                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-10 21:11                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11 15:32                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-11 16:07                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-11 16:57                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-11 17:10                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 21:26                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 18:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 18:54                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 19:18                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 19:56                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-10 20:22                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 20:54                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-11  6:59                                 ` Rusty Russell
2008-07-10 20:25                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-10 17:57                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-10 18:08                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-09 20:46         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 20:14   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-09 21:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 21:39   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-09 21:47     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 21:55     ` Eric W. Biederman

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