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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Simon Kagstrom" <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>,
	dedekind1@gmail.com, "Américo Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Provide ways of crashing the kernel through debugfs
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:16:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1eil4i85t.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100129023327.021cb23d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (Andrew Morton's message of "Fri\, 29 Jan 2010 02\:33\:27 -0800")

Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:13:24 +0100 Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:38:02 +0200
>> Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 10:53 +0800, Am__rico Wang wrote:
>> > > > Well, it provides a few more ways of crashing the kernel. That's
>> > > > basically the only additional feature you'll get.
>> > > 
>> > > Yeah, I can see that, but why do I need to care how I crash the kernel
>> > > as long as I can crash it in a way.
>> > 
>> > But Simon did explain in his first e-mail why he cares. You or others
>> > might care for similar reasons.
>> 
>> Another argument for the patch is that it's simple and well-contained,
>> it doesn't touch any other code apart from the driver itself.
>> 
>> It is also easy to extend with other tests, e.g., provoking kernel
>> hangs to test watchdogs and so on.
>> 
>
> Yes, it's the sort of thing which lots of people have written
> throw-away ad-hoc versions of.  It probably makes sense to do it once,
> do it right to save people from having to rererereinvent that wheel.
>
> What do others think?

I think it makes sense, and in fact we have already merged one attempt
at doing this generically.  drivers/misc/lkdtm.c

I think Simon's patch adds some additional interesting failure modes.
write_after_free, corrupt_stack_write, unaligned_load_store.

Simon is there any chance you can change your patch to an enhancement of lkdtm?

lkdtm actually digs into the interesting failure points with a jprobe
to trigger the harder to reproduce scenarios.  Like stack overflow in
an interrupt handler.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-02  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-26  9:56 Simon Kagstrom
2010-01-26 10:08 ` Américo Wang
2010-01-26 10:18   ` Simon Kagstrom
2010-01-27  2:53     ` Américo Wang
2010-01-27  7:09       ` Simon Kagstrom
2010-01-28 14:38       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-01-29  6:13         ` Simon Kagstrom
2010-01-29 10:33           ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-02  4:16             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2010-02-02  8:16               ` Simon Kagstrom
2010-02-03  8:52               ` [PATCH] lkdtm: Add debugfs access and loosen KPROBE ties Simon Kagstrom
2010-02-03 22:55                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-04  9:06                   ` [PATCH v2] " Simon Kagstrom

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