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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	devel@openvz.org, Andrey Savochkin <saw@sawoct.com>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	Stanislav Protassov <st@sw.ru>,
	serue@us.ibm.com, frankeh@watson.ibm.com, clg@fr.ibm.com,
	mrmacman_g4@mac.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Which of the virtualization approaches is more suitable for kernel?
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:14:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ek1owllf.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1141062132.8697.161.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Dave Hansen's message of "Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:12 -0800")

Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com> writes:

> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 14:44 -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> We can start on a broad front, looking at several different things.
>> But I suggest the first thing we all look at is SYSVIPC.  It is
>> currently a clearly recognized namespace in the kernel so the scope is
>> well defined.  SYSVIPC is just complicated enough to have a
>> non-trivial implementation while at the same time being simple enough
>> that we can go through the code in exhausting detail.  Getting the
>> group dynamics working properly. 
>
> Here's a quick stab at the ipc/msg.c portion of this work.  The basic
> approach was to move msg_ids, msg_bytes, and msg_hdrs into a structure,
> put a pointer to that structure in the task_struct and then dynamically
> allocate it.
>
> There is still only one system-wide one of these for now.  It can
> obviously be extended, though. :)
>
> This is a very simple, brute-force, hack-until-it-compiles-and-boots
> approach.  (I just realized that I didn't check the return of the alloc
> properly.)
>
> Is this the form that we'd like these patches to take?  Any comments
> about the naming?  Do we want to keep the _namespace nomenclature, or
> does the "context" that I used here make more sense

I think from 10,000 feet the form is about right.

I like the namespace nomenclature.  (It can be shorted to _space  or _ns).
In part because it shortens well, and in part because it emphasizes that
we are *just* dealing with the names.

You split the resolution at just ipc_msgs.  When I really think it should
be everything ipcs deals with.

Performing the assignment inside the tasklist_lock is not something we
want to do in do_fork().

So it looks like a good start.  There are a lot of details yet to be filled
in, proc, sysctl, cleanup on namespace release.  (We can still provide
the create destroy methods even if we don't hook the up).

I think in this case I would put the actual namespace structure
definition in util.h, and just put a struct ipc_ns in sched.h.
sysvipc is isolated enough that nothing outside of the ipc/
directory needs to know the implementation details.

It probably makes sense to have a statically structure and
to set the pointer initially in init_task.h

Until we reach the point where we can multiple instances that
even removes the need to have a pointer copy in do_fork()
as that happens already as part of the structure copy.


Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-27 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-20 15:45 Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 16:12 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-21 16:00   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-21 20:33     ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-21 23:50     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-22 10:09       ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-02-22 15:26         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-23 12:02           ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-02-23 13:25             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-23 14:00               ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-02-24 21:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-24 23:01   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-27 17:42   ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-27 21:14     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-02-27 21:35       ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-27 21:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-04  3:17       ` sysctls inside containers Dave Hansen
2006-03-04 10:27         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-06 16:27           ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-06 17:08             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-06 17:18               ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-06 18:56             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-10 10:17         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-10 13:22           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-10 10:19         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-10 11:55           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-10 18:58           ` Dave Hansen

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