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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:42:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1hd7xmylo.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43D14578.6060801@watson.ibm.com> (Hubertus Franke's message of "Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:18:00 -0500")

Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com> writes:

> 2nd:
> ====	
> Issue: we don't need pid virtualization, instead simply use <container,pid>
> pair.
>
> This requires a bit more thought. Essentially that's what I was doing, but I
> mangled them into the same pid and using masking to add/remove the
> container for internal use.  As pointed out by Alan(?), we can
> indeed reused the same pid internally many times as long as we can
> distinguish during the pid-to-task_struct lookup. This is easily
> done because, the caller provides the context hence the container for the
> lookup.
>
> Actions: The vpid_to_pid will disappear and the check for whether we
> are in the same container needs to be pushed down into the task
> lookup. question remains to  figure out  whether the context of the
> task lookup (will always remain the caller ?). 

Any place the kernel saves a pid and then proceeds to signal it later.
At that later point in time it is possibly you will be in the wrong
context.

This probably justifies having a kpid_t that has both the process
space id and the pid in it.  For when the kernel is storing pids to
use as weak references, for signal purposes etc.

At least tty_io.c and fcntl.c have examples where you the caller
may not have the proper context.

> Doing so has an implication, namely that we are moving over to "system
> containers". The current implementation requires the vpid/pid only
> for the boundary condition at the top of the container (to rewrite
> pid=1) and its parent and the fact that we wanted a global look
> through container=0. If said boundary would be eliminated and we
> simply make a container a child of the initproc (pid=1), this would
> be unnecessary. 
>
> all together this would provide private namespaces (as just suggested by Eric).
>
> The feeling would be that large parts of patch could be reduce by
> this.

Simplified, and made easier to understand.  I don't know if the number
of lines affected can or should be reduced.  

One of my problems with your current approach is that it doesn't help
identify where you have problems.

I have found a specific example that your current patches get wrong,
because you make assumptions about which context is valid.

>From function kernel/khtread.c
> static void keventd_create_kthread(void *_create)
> {
> 	struct kthread_create_info *create = _create;
> 	int pid;
> 
> 	/* We want our own signal handler (we take no signals by default). */
> 	pid = kernel_thread(kthread, create, CLONE_FS | CLONE_FILES | SIGCHLD);
> 	if (pid < 0) {
> 		create->result = ERR_PTR(pid);
> 	} else {
> 		wait_for_completion(&create->started);
> 		create->result = find_task_by_pid(pid);
> 	}
> 	complete(&create->done);
> }

kernel_thread() is a light wrapper around do_fork().
do_fork returns a virtual pid.
find_task_by_pid takes a pid with the upper bits holding the process
   space id.

Therefore if this function or a cousin of it was ever triggered
by a userspace application in a virtual context find_task_by_pid
would fail to find the task structure.

The only way I know to make this change safely is to make compilation
of all functions that manipulate pids in possibly dangerous ways fail.
And then to manually and slowly fix them up.

That way if something is missed.  You get a compile error instead
of incorrect execution.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-21 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-17 14:32 RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:32 ` RFC [patch 01/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: drivers Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 02/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: most archs Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 03/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: filesystems Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 04/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: include/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 05/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: ipc Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 06/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: kernel/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 07/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: lib/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 08/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: mm/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 09/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: net/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 10/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: security/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 11/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: sound/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 12/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: ia64 and mips Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 15:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-17 15:56     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-17 16:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-17 16:03       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-17 17:16         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-17 17:25         ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18  4:54           ` Greg KH
2006-01-18  4:55           ` Greg KH
2006-01-18 16:23             ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-20 17:00               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:18                 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 18:38                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-23 18:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-21 14:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-01-22  6:43                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-22 15:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-22 15:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-22 16:24                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:01                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-27  9:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-27 12:27                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-27 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 18:50                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-23 19:28                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2006-01-23 21:30                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 22:15                             ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-24  6:56                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-24 19:34                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-24 21:09                                 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-24  0:22                             ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 19:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-24 21:11                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 21:15                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-25  9:58                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25 15:10                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-25 18:01                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25 19:30                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-25 21:59                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25  9:13                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25  9:51                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:23                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-27  8:28                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <m1k6cqlmfe.fsf_-_@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2006-01-23 21:57                         ` RFC: [PATCH] pids as weak references Dave Hansen
2006-01-31 21:02                   ` RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  0:01                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-01  4:18                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-01  4:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  7:14                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-01 16:41                         ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-02  5:14                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-01 16:29                       ` Greg
2006-02-01 16:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 13:50                           ` Greg
2006-02-02 14:09                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 14:48                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 15:13                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 15:26                         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 15:51                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 16:05                             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 16:27                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 21:32                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-02 21:43                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-02 21:46                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-03 10:07                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-03 10:52                                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-03 11:09                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-03 15:45                                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-03 16:35                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 21:10                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-02 21:24                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:15                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-06 20:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:36                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 20:40                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 14:49           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 14/34] PID Virtualization const parameter for process group Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 15/34] PID Virtualization task virtual pid access functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 16/34] PID Virtualization return virtual pids where required Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 17/34] PID Virtualization return virtual process group ids Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 18/34] PID Virtualization code enhancements for virtual pids in /proc Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 19/34] PID Virtualization Define pid_to_vpid functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 20/34] PID Virtualization Use pid_to_vpid conversion functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 21/34] PID Virtualization file owner pid virtualization Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 22/34] PID Virtualization define vpid_to_pid functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 23/34] PID Virtualization Use " Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 24/34] PID Virtualization use vpgid_to_pgid function Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 25/34] PID Virtualization Context for pid_to_vpid conversition functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 26/34] PID Virtualization Documentation Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 27/34] PID Virtualization pidspace Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 28/34] PID Virtualization container object and functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 29/34] PID Virtualization container attach/detach calls Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 30/34] PID Virtualization /proc/container filesystem Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 31/34] PID Virtualization Implementation of low level virtualization functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 32/34] PID Virtualization Handle special case vpid return cases Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 33/34] PID Virtualization per container /proc filesystem Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 34/34] PID Virtualization pidspace parent : signal behavior Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 16:19 ` RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-17 17:08   ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-17 18:09     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-17 18:12       ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-17 18:29         ` Alan Cox
2006-01-18 19:01           ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18 19:28             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-18 19:38               ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18 19:50                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-18 22:54                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-19  7:15                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-20  5:11                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:23                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-20 20:33                         ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 19:53                   ` RFC: Multiple instances of kernel namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:13                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-20 20:22                       ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found]                         ` <20060120203555.GC13265@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-01-20 21:47                           ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:04                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 19:47                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-26 20:13                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:27                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-21 10:31             ` RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Pavel Machek

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