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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@pathscale.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, openib-general@openib.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0 of 20] [RFC] ipath - PathScale InfiniPath driver
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:35:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1irt25pxg.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1135993250.13318.94.camel@serpentine.pathscale.com> (Bryan O'Sullivan's message of "Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:40:50 -0800")

"Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@pathscale.com> writes:

> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:10 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
>
>> But we (the kernel community), don't really accept that as a valid
>> reason to accept this kind of code, sorry.
>
> Fair enough.  I'd like some guidance in that case.  Some of our ioctls
> access the hardware more or less directly, while others do things like
> read or reset counters.

As a general rule a driver should push as much functionality to
libraries and the infrastructure code as possible. 

> Which of these kinds of operations are appropriate to retain as ioctls,
> in your eyes, and which are best converted to sysfs or configfs
> alternatives?
>
> As an example, take a look at ipath_sma_ioctl.  It seems to me that
> receiving or sending subnet management packets ought to remain as
> ioctls, while getting port or node data could be turned into sysfs
> attributes.  Lane identification could live in configfs.  If you think
> otherwise, please let me know what's more appropriate.

I haven't looked closely enough at the state of the openib tree but
you should not need an additional interface to send/receive standard
IB subnet management packets.  That is something that should be provided
the same way by all infiniband drivers.

The only case I can think of where this might not already exist
is the code that responds to the subnet manager.  If the current
interfaces are not sufficient then the infiniband layer needs
more work.

> The less blind I am in doing these conversions, the fewer rounds we'll
> have to go in reviewing humongous driver submission patches :-)

Given Linus's comments and looking at where you are getting stuck I
would recommend you split out support for the nonstandard ipath
protocol from the rest of the driver.  If the standard infiniband
interfaces for kernel bypass are not sufficient for flinging packets
then we need to re-examine them.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-02 20:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-29  0:31 Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 1 of 20] Introduce __memcpy_toio32 Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 2 of 20] memcpy32 for x86_64 Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 3 of 20] Add memcpy_toio32 to each arch Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 4 of 20] Define BITS_PER_BYTE Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 5 of 20] ipath - driver core header files Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  8:18   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-29 14:15     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 6 of 20] ipath - driver debugging headers Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  8:22   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 7 of 20] ipath - MMIO copy routines Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 8 of 20] ipath - core driver, part 1 of 4 Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-30  8:39   ` Greg KH
2005-12-30 23:47     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-31  0:12       ` Greg KH
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 9 of 20] ipath - core driver, part 2 " Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 10 of 20] ipath - core driver, part 3 " Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-30 18:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30 23:50     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-31  8:36       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 11 of 20] ipath - core driver, part 4 " Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  2:19   ` [openib-general] " Roland Dreier
2005-12-29 14:21     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-30  8:12   ` Greg KH
2005-12-30 23:17     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-31  0:08       ` Greg KH
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 12 of 20] ipath - misc driver support code Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-30  8:25   ` Greg KH
2005-12-30 23:10     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-31  0:13       ` Greg KH
2005-12-30 18:15   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 13 of 20] ipath - routines used by upper layer driver code Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 14 of 20] ipath - infiniband verbs header Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  8:21   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-29 14:22     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 15 of 20] ipath - infiniband verbs support, part 1 of 3 Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 16 of 20] path - infiniband verbs support, part 2 " Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 17 of 20] ipath - infiniband verbs support, part 3 " Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29 19:24   ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-30  3:19     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 18 of 20] ipath - infiniband management datagram support Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 19 of 20] ipath - kbuild infrastructure Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29  0:31 ` [PATCH 20 of 20] ipath - integrate driver into infiniband " Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-29 19:01 ` [PATCH 0 of 20] [RFC] ipath - PathScale InfiniPath driver Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 19:26   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-31  5:36     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-02 16:05     ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-02 16:22       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-30  3:17   ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-30  8:00 ` Greg KH
2005-12-30 23:11   ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2005-12-31  0:10     ` Greg KH
2005-12-31  1:40       ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-02 20:35         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-01-02 22:22           ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-04 21:26           ` Roland Dreier
2006-01-05 15:28             ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-03 17:27         ` Greg KH
2006-01-03 20:54           ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-03 20:57             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03 21:24               ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-03 21:26                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-04  3:33                   ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-04 21:28             ` [openib-general] " Roland Dreier
2006-01-05 15:31               ` Bryan O'Sullivan

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