From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: "Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>,
"Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>,
"Davide Libenzi" <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
"Patrick J. LoPresti" <patl@users.sourceforge.net>,
"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cowlinks v2
Date: 25 Mar 2004 15:16:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1k718zi5r.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403251237200.1106@ppc970.osdl.org>
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> writes:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> >
> > That is not useful for me or the other people who want to use this to
> > duplicate large source trees and run "diff" between trees.
> >
> > "diff" depends on being able to check if files in the two trees are
> > identical -- by checking whether the inode number and device (and
> > maybe other stat data) are identical. This allows "diff -ur" between
> > two cloned trees the size of linux to be quite fast. Without that
> > optimisation, it's very slow indeed.
>
> I think the correct thing to do is to just admit that cowlinks aren't
> POSIX, and instead see the inode number as a way to see whether the link
> has been broken or not. Ie just accept the inode number potentially
> changing.
>
> That would make "diff" (adn most other uses) ok with this, and anythign
> that isn't, just couldn't be used with cowlinked files.
Really?
tar and cp still need to be taught about them. And if they are not taught
they will do the wrong thing and hard link the files removing the
copy on write semantics. Which would do ugly thing when you restore
from your backup.
I don't have a problem with the inode number changing when you write to
a file, because I can't think of much that would care either way.
But having the inode number of an open file change sounds like a very
difficult problem to track.
Maybe aiming cow links at things like a live cd filesystem is too
ambitious, but it sounds like a minimal clean way to handle all of
the dependencies on writeable files that show up.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-03-25 22:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-20 8:34 Jörn Engel
2004-03-20 8:49 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-20 11:27 ` Jörn Engel
2004-03-20 19:28 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-21 12:43 ` Jörn Engel
2004-03-21 18:53 ` Jörn Engel
[not found] ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20040320083411.GA25934@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
2004-03-20 15:03 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-03-20 15:23 ` Jörn Engel
2004-03-29 17:12 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-29 21:05 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-03-29 23:16 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-31 14:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-31 14:45 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-31 15:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-02 11:44 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-02 16:54 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-02 18:01 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-02 18:17 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-02 18:23 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-02 19:28 ` Ross Biro
2004-04-02 21:35 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-05 8:12 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-05 8:19 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-05 8:45 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-02 20:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-02 21:39 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-02 22:00 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-03 0:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 8:23 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-03 13:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-05 8:19 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-05 8:22 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-03 0:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 1:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 1:21 ` Erik Andersen
2004-04-03 1:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 3:55 ` Ross Biro
2004-04-03 9:09 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-03 13:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 18:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-04-03 19:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 20:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-04-03 21:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-04 8:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-04-05 8:35 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-05 9:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-04-05 9:18 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-05 11:43 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-05 12:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-05 12:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-05 12:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-05 18:03 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-05 11:10 ` jlnance
2004-04-05 11:46 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-05 12:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-05 8:43 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-03 19:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-04-05 8:54 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-05 9:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-20 16:48 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-21 12:57 ` Jörn Engel
2004-03-21 17:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-21 18:14 ` Jörn Engel
2004-03-21 20:26 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-21 20:35 ` Jörn Engel
2004-03-22 0:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-22 0:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-22 5:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-22 5:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-22 11:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-22 16:02 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-25 17:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-25 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-25 19:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-25 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-25 22:16 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2004-04-01 14:53 ` Jörn Engel
2004-04-02 11:54 ` Tim Connors
2004-03-25 21:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-27 10:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-27 21:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-27 21:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-27 23:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-28 0:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-28 12:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 20:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-28 23:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 1:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-29 12:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 19:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-29 23:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 23:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-03-29 7:45 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-03-29 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-29 12:40 ` Jamie Lokier
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