From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
"Catalin(ux aka Dino) BOIE" <util@deuroconsult.ro>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
Janos Farkas <jf-ml-k1-1087813225@lk8rp.mail.xeon.eu.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chris Bruner <cryst@golden.net>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>, <fastboot@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: COMMAND_LINE_SIZE increasing in 2.6.11-rc1-bk6
Date: 14 Feb 2005 00:36:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1oeeny4ny.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050214024916.B1257@almesberger.net>
Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net> writes:
> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > Something like that. I have yet to see a even a proof of concept
> > of the idea of passing device information, to clean up probes.
>
> Yes, the kexec-based boot loader first, then this. For a
> kexec-based boot loader, passing device scan results will be
> very useful, plus it's a good environment for experimenting
> with such a feature.
And from another perspective what drives things are practical
requirements. Boot speed while nice does not yet seem to be a
driver, and that is all I have seen proposed with passing
the list of hardware. What is currently a driver in
the kexec scenario is booting a kernel without firmware
calls, and in the kexec-on-panic case booting a kernel
without a kernel where the hardware is in a known messed
up state.
So far I have seen nothing that even resembles an architecture
independent solution to avoiding firmware calls. And right
now I'm not even certain I even expect to see something it become
architecture independent. At the very least we need some
clean architecture specific support first, so we can have
a clue what needs to be generalized. ia64 and ppc are coming...
At any rate I see the problem of which hardware devices
are present as a subset of the problem of booting without firmware.
So I suspect we are going to get some pretty weird architecture
specific implementations at least in the first go round.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-14 7:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-19 23:13 Janos Farkas
2005-01-20 4:21 ` Chris Bruner
2005-01-20 16:28 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-20 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-20 16:48 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-20 20:53 ` Something very strange on x86_64 2.6.X kernels Eric Dumazet
2005-01-20 21:08 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-20 21:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2005-01-21 16:26 ` Petr Vandrovec
2005-01-21 16:49 ` Eric Dumazet
2005-01-21 18:30 ` Petr Vandrovec
2005-01-22 1:54 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-22 2:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-21 6:58 ` COMMAND_LINE_SIZE increasing in 2.6.11-rc1-bk6 Catalin(ux aka Dino) BOIE
2005-01-21 7:11 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-21 17:46 ` Matt Domsch
2005-01-21 19:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-07 6:57 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-12 13:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-02-12 14:51 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-12 15:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-02-14 5:49 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-14 7:36 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2005-02-14 6:15 ` Adam Sulmicki
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