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From: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
Cc: "Måns Rullgård" <mru@kth.se>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers 2.6.3.0
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:10:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m37jy4cuaw.fsf@defiant.pm.waw.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40434BD7.9060301@nortelnetworks.com> (Chris Friesen's message of "Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:42:31 -0500")

Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com> writes:

> For current kernels, the "official" method is to have cleaned up
> copies of the kernel headers shipped with glibc and placed in
> /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm.

Not sure about it being "official".
It may make sense if it's a distribution - many users don't install
kernel sources. Still, from a technical point of view, it should be
a straight copy of kernel includes - we don't want to maintain two
separate sets, do we?

>  The "real" headers will
> often work, but not always,

Then they should be fixed.
I.e. parts for internal kernel use should be wrapped with #ifdef __KERNEL__.
Personally I consider every kernel header which prevents successful
user space compilation buggy.

> To complicate things, if you add new stuff to the kernel (new ioctl
> commands, etc.) then your app needs to either link against the "real"
> headers, or else duplicate the definitions.
>
> Its kind of a mess.

Precisely. This is why we need just one header set.

> In an ideal world there would be clean "userspace" headers shipped
> with the kernel, and the kernel would then use those headers plus the
> kernel-only stuff.

Not sure about it. How is it different from clean "kernel" headers
shipped (obviously) with the kernel?


The "non-problem" here is, IMHO, that the cleaning of kernel headers
is quite trivial, and thus nobody is interested :-)
-- 
Krzysztof Halasa, B*FH

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-03 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-29 18:42 Mariusz Mazur
2004-02-29 20:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-29 20:30   ` Mariusz Mazur
2004-02-29 21:03     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-29 21:21       ` Mariusz Mazur
2004-02-29 21:33         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-03-01 14:42           ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-01 18:10             ` Krzysztof Halasa [this message]
2004-03-03 12:49               ` Måns Rullgård
2004-03-03 15:22               ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-03-03 16:49                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-03-04 16:50                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-04 18:49                     ` [Linuxabi] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-03-04  4:43                 ` [Linuxabi] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-03-03 18:08               ` [ANNOUNCE] " Mariusz Mazur
2004-03-03 19:20                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-03-04 14:13                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-03-04 20:49                   ` Mariusz Mazur
2004-03-04 21:27                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-04 22:52                       ` Mariusz Mazur
2004-03-04 23:32                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-05 17:02                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-03-05 23:44                       ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-03-06 22:30                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-03-07  1:15                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-03-07 19:00                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-03-08  1:28                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-03-08 15:03                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-03-08 15:37                                   ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-08 20:27                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-02-29 21:25     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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