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From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Fixing the tty layer was Re: any chance of 2.6.0-test*?
Date: 12 Jan 2003 10:56:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3iswuk7xm.fsf_-_@averell.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030112094007$1647@gated-at.bofh.it>


[forgot to cc linux-kernel in the first try, sorry if you see it twice]

Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:19:08PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > The entire tty layer locking is terminally broken and nobody has even
> > started fixing it. Just try a mass of parallel tty/pty activity . It
> > was problematic before, pre-empt has taken it  to dead, defunct and
> > buried. 
> 
> I've looked into this, and wow, it's not a simple fix :(

it has to be fixed for 2.6, no argument.

I took a look at it. I think the easiest strategy would be:

- Make sure all the process context code holds BKL
(most of it does, but not all - sometimes it is buggy like in 
disassociate_tty) 
I have some patches for that for tty_io.c at least

The local_irq_save in there are buggy, they need to take 
a lock.

- Audit the data structures that are touched by interrupts
and add spinlocks.
At least for n_tty.c probably just tty->read_lock needs to be 
extended.
Perhaps some can be just "fixed" by ignoring latency and pushing
softirq functions into keventd
(modern CPUs should be fast enough for that) 

- Possibly disable module unloading for ldiscs (seems to be rather broken,
although Rusty's new unload algorithm may avoid the worst - not completely
sure)

Probably all doable with some concentrated effort.

Anyone interested in helping ?

-Andi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-12  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20030110165441$1a8a@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030110165505$38d9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-01-11 12:27   ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 13:01     ` Russell King
2003-01-11 13:13       ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 14:39     ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 14:06       ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 15:31         ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 15:25           ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-11 19:18             ` Alan Cox
2003-01-13  3:33               ` Paul Mackerras
2003-01-13 14:59                 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-13 18:36                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-01-14  2:32                   ` ide-cs problem (was Re: any chance of 2.6.0-test*?) Paul Mackerras
2003-01-19 16:05         ` any chance of 2.6.0-test*? Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <20030112094007$1647@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-01-12  9:56     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2003-01-13  6:41       ` Fixing the tty layer was " Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13  7:25         ` Andi Kleen
2003-01-13  8:12           ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13  9:15             ` Russell King
2003-01-13  9:36               ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-01-13  6:45       ` Greg KH

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