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From: Matthias Urlichs <smurf@smurf.noris.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VFS locking: f_pos thread-safe ?
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:59:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2004.02.06.18.59.44.936432@smurf.noris.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040206111853.GE21151@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

Hi, viro wrote:

> "Somebody made a guess about undefined behaviour"

Guess what? The manpage says that read(2) return N bytes and advances the
file pointer by N bytes. It doesn't talk, much less caution, about threads.

YOU may immediately know, based on your kernel knowledge or whatever, that
things get somewhat undefined when two threads do that at the same time,
but it's NOT AT ALL obvious to a "normal" application programmer. There's
plenty of system calls that CAN be done concurrently, after all.

So we tried the simple idea, it didn't work, we grumbled a bit ;-) and
then did something else instead. Not a big deal.

Please save your "translations" for stupid ideas that are obviously so
without in-depth kernel knowledge or equivalent.

Thank you.

-- 
Matthias Urlichs

  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-06 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-06  9:09 Matt
2004-02-06  9:16 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06  9:26   ` Matt
2004-02-06  9:35     ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 10:19       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-06 11:18         ` viro
2004-02-06 18:59           ` Matthias Urlichs [this message]
2004-02-06 19:54             ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-08 15:58             ` Kai Henningsen
2004-02-19 15:14               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20040206101941.4cd9c882.shemminger@osdl.org>
2004-02-06 18:47           ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-06 13:50       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06 13:56         ` viro
2004-02-06 14:24           ` Werner Almesberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-06  7:12 Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06  7:55 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 18:37 ` Joel Becker
2004-02-06 19:05   ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-07  1:35     ` Joel Becker
2004-02-06 20:09   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06 20:56     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-07  0:55       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06 20:54 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-02-07 23:45   ` Werner Almesberger

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