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From: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] workqueue: Convert the idle_timer to a delayed_work
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 17:13:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xhsmh4jvhwa8d.mognet@vschneid.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y2AYrG8q+I3VhHoF@slm.duckdns.org>

On 31/10/22 08:49, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 04:05:20PM +0100, Valentin Schneider wrote:
>> +static void idle_reaper_fn(struct work_struct *work)
>>  {
>> -	struct worker_pool *pool = from_timer(pool, t, idle_timer);
>> +	struct delayed_work *dwork = to_delayed_work(work);
>> +	struct worker_pool *pool = container_of(dwork, struct worker_pool, idle_reaper_work);
>>
>>      raw_spin_lock_irq(&pool->lock);
>>
>>      while (too_many_workers(pool)) {
>>              struct worker *worker;
>>              unsigned long expires;
>> +		unsigned long now = jiffies;
>>
>> -		/* idle_list is kept in LIFO order, check the last one */
>> +		/* idle_list is kept in LIFO order, check the oldest entry */
>>              worker = list_entry(pool->idle_list.prev, struct worker, entry);
>>              expires = worker->last_active + IDLE_WORKER_TIMEOUT;
>>
>> -		if (time_before(jiffies, expires)) {
>> -			mod_timer(&pool->idle_timer, expires);
>
> So, one thing which bothers me is that the idle timer is supposed to go off
> spuriously periodically. The idea being that letting it expire spuriously
> should usually be cheaper than trying to update it constantly as workers
> wake up and sleep. Converting the timer to a delayed work makes spurious
> wakeups significantly more expensive tho as it's now a full scheduling
> event.
>

Right.

> Can we separate the timer and work item out so that we can kick off the work
> item iff there actually are tasks to kill?
>

One thing I can try to have a DIY delayed_work where the timer callback
doesn't just queue the work but first checks for too_many_workers(). This
will mostly likely result in a different behaviour as worker deletion will
then involve two pool->lock regions, but this will still catch long-idling
workers.

> Thanks.
>
> --
> tejun


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-02 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-04 15:05 [PATCH v4 0/4] workqueue: destroy_worker() vs isolated CPUs Valentin Schneider
2022-10-04 15:05 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] workqueue: Protects wq_unbound_cpumask with wq_pool_attach_mutex Valentin Schneider
2022-10-04 15:05 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] workqueue: Factorize unbind/rebind_workers() logic Valentin Schneider
2022-10-04 15:05 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] workqueue: Convert the idle_timer to a delayed_work Valentin Schneider
2022-10-31 18:49   ` Tejun Heo
2022-11-02 17:13     ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2022-10-04 15:05 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] workqueue: Unbind workers before sending them to exit() Valentin Schneider
     [not found] ` <20221005010832.1934-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-10-05 11:13   ` Valentin Schneider
     [not found]   ` <20221005145022.1695-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-10-05 16:14     ` Valentin Schneider
2022-10-25  9:42 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] workqueue: destroy_worker() vs isolated CPUs Valentin Schneider
2022-10-31 18:45   ` Tejun Heo

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