From: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
"James E.J. Bottomley" <JBottomley@parallels.com>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PING^7 (was Re: [PATCH v2 00/14] Corrections and customization of the SG_IO command whitelist (CVE-2012-4542))
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:32:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq1vc6b561q.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <519CE9FE.2030007@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Wed, 22 May 2013 17:53:34 +0200")
>>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:
Paolo> First of all, I'll note that SG_IO and block-device-specific
Paolo> ioctls both have their place. My usecase for SG_IO is
Paolo> virtualization, where I need to pass information from the LUN to
Paolo> the virtual machine with as much fidelity as possible if I choose
Paolo> to virtualize at the SCSI level.
Now there's your problem! Several people told you way back that the SCSI
virt approach was a really poor choice. The SG_IO permissions problem is
a classic "Doctor, it hurts when I do this".
The kernel's fundamental task is to provide abstraction between
applications and intricacies of hardware. The right way to solve the
problem would have been to provide a better device abstraction built on
top of the block/SCSI infrastructure we already have in place. If you
need more fidelity, add fidelity to the block layer instead of punching
a giant hole through it.
I seem to recall that reservations were part of your motivation for
going the SCSI route in the first place. A better approach would have
been to create a generic reservations mechanism that could be exposed to
the guest. And then let the baremetal kernel worry about the appropriate
way to communicate with the physical hardware. Just like we've done with
reads and writes, discard, write same, etc.
The fact that burning CDs requires SG_IO in the first place is just a
symptom that we got that interface totally wrong. cat iso.img > /dev/sr0
would have been much more in line with how Unix works...
--
Martin K. Petersen Oracle Linux Engineering
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-05-22 16:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-06 15:15 [PATCH v2 00/14] Corrections and customization of the SG_IO command whitelist (CVE-2012-4542) Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] sg_io: pass request_queue to blk_verify_command Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] sg_io: reorganize list of allowed commands Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] sg_io: use different default filters for each device class Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] sg_io: resolve conflicts between commands assigned to multiple classes (CVE-2012-4542) Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] sg_io: whitelist a few more commands for rare & obsolete device types Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] sg_io: whitelist another command for multimedia devices Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] sg_io: whitelist a few more commands for media changers Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] sg_io: whitelist a few more commands for tapes Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] sg_io: whitelist a few more commands for disks Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] sg_io: whitelist a few obsolete commands Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] sg_io: mark blk_set_cmd_filter_defaults as __init Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:15 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] sg_io: remove remnants of sysfs SG_IO filters Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] sg_io: introduce unpriv_sgio queue flag Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-06 15:16 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] sg_io: use unpriv_sgio to disable whitelisting for scanners Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-13 8:32 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Corrections and customization of the SG_IO command whitelist (CVE-2012-4542) Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-13 15:35 ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-02-13 15:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-20 16:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-22 22:30 ` PING^2 " Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-04 18:18 ` PING^3 " Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-17 12:26 ` PING^4 aka The Jon Corbet Effect " Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-27 13:31 ` PING^5 aka New ways to attract attentions " Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-06 20:43 ` PING^6 " Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 6:35 ` PING^7 (was Re: [PATCH v2 00/14] Corrections and customization of the SG_IO command whitelist (CVE-2012-4542)) Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 9:32 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 9:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 10:02 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 10:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 12:07 ` James Bottomley
2013-05-22 14:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 16:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 13:41 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 14:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 14:30 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 15:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 19:30 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 21:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 22:17 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-23 0:54 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-23 7:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 9:02 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-23 9:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 1:44 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-24 7:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 8:02 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-24 8:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 9:07 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-24 9:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 22:20 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-25 4:35 ` James Bottomley
2013-05-25 5:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-05-25 7:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-25 7:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-05-25 7:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-06-21 11:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-05-25 8:37 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-25 11:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-25 12:48 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-25 12:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 15:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-05-22 15:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 16:32 ` Martin K. Petersen [this message]
2013-05-22 17:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 18:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-05-22 19:37 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 20:19 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-05-22 20:36 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-25 3:54 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2013-05-28 20:25 ` Martin K. Petersen
2013-05-29 6:12 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2013-05-22 20:39 ` Tejun Heo
2013-05-22 21:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
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