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From: "Måns Rullgård" <mru@inprovide.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:08:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yw1x8y1tzf14.fsf@ford.inprovide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <429DF038.3010503@nortel.com>

Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com> writes:

> Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
>> There is still no new and definitely stable interface that allows me to
>> asume that it makes sense to put effort in implementing support for it.
>
> Why not just accept *any* device node that the user passes in?

That's the question I think we're all asking.  The answer is that
cdrecord *already* does this.

In my understanding there are three basic parts involved here: 1) SCSI
commands, and the devices that use them, 2) low-level
addressing/transport used by the OS to deliver SCSI commands to the
devices, and 3) high-level addressing used by userland when talking to
the OS.  2 can be more or less anything: traditional b/t/l SCSI,
ATAPI, parport, USB, etc, each with it's own unique addressing style.
3 is what applications should be using, and varies across OSes, Unix
systems using device nodes, others using other methods I do not know.
Through a thorough misunderstanding of the word "portable",
Mr. Schilling appears to be attempting to forcibly extend one
particular incarnation of 2 to also cover 3.

FWIW, I run cdrecord using dev=/dev/cdrw as a regular user, without
any suid bits, and close my eyes while the warnings scroll by.  Using
a small window and the -v flag, they're out of sight before you know
it.  I have yet to burn a coaster not resulting from bad media or
hardware, even on loaded systems, over NFS, or whatnot.

-- 
Måns Rullgård
mru@inprovide.com


  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-02  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30  9:19 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-30  9:34 ` Toon van der Pas
2005-05-30 12:26   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 14:14     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-31 11:03       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31  7:29         ` Terry Vernon
2005-05-31 11:46         ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-31 16:59         ` Gerd Knorr
2005-05-31 19:05           ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-31 19:56             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:20                 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2005-06-01 16:55                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01  2:23             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-03 13:29                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-01 16:28               ` Oliver Neukum
2005-06-01 15:41             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:11           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:42             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 16:55               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 17:50                   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:59                     ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-02  1:14                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-02  1:46                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-02  1:23                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-03 19:51                     ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-01 22:06                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 15:57             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-31 17:22         ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-31 19:28           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-31 20:54             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 15:53             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:05               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-06-01 17:03                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:28                   ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-02  2:08                     ` Måns Rullgård [this message]
2005-06-01 17:35                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-02 10:34                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-01 16:21               ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:28           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:48             ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-30 13:38   ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-30  9:46 ` Joerg Schilling
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-30 22:00 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-31 11:17 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found] <48cRq-7TH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <48cRq-7TH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <48cRq-7TH-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <48dDM-5I-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <48wdp-7lh-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-26 21:53         ` Bodo Eggert
2005-05-26 23:12           ` Lee Revell
     [not found] <4847F-8q-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <E1Db3zm-0004vF-9j@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-25 22:46   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:31     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 19:20       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-26 21:26         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 23:30           ` Matthias Andree
2005-05-27  9:39       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-27 11:09         ` Wakko Warner
2005-05-27 14:21         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30  9:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 10:47             ` Markus Plail
2005-05-30 22:27             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 23:20               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-05-30 23:35               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-31 12:51                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31 12:47               ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505260205390.19389@be1.lrz>
2005-05-27 10:03       ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505271633200.3055@be1.lrz>
2005-05-30  9:36           ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505301326450.2363@be1.lrz>
2005-05-31 10:57               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 13:15 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:12 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 10:15   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26 11:42     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-25 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26  4:11 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-26  7:14   ` Markus Plail

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