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From: Joachim B Haga <c.j.b.haga@fys.uio.no>
To: Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com>
Cc: Joachim B Haga <c.j.b.haga@fys.uio.no>,
	Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] O(1) Entitlement Based Scheduler
Date: 01 Mar 2004 10:18:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yydjvflp9b8g.fsf@galizur.uio.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.cvc8vnj.ahebjd@ifi.uio.no>

Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com> writes:

>> It seems to me that much of this could be solved if the user *were*
>> allowed to lower nice values (down to 0).
[snip]
>> to 10 (normal) to 20. Negative values could still be root-only.  So
>> why shouldn't this be possible? Because a greedy user in a
>> multi-user system would just run everything at max prio thus
>> defeating the purpose? Sure, that would be annoying but it would
>> have another solution ie. an entitlement based scheduler or
>> something.
 
> More importantly it would allow ordinary users to override root's
> settings e.g. if (for whatever reason) the sysadmin decided to
> renice a task to 19 (say) this modification would allow the owner of
> the task to renice it back to zero.  This is the reason that it
> isn't be allowed.

"You dirty cracker! A renice +19, that'll teach you!"  :-)

Seriously though, the same is true today, it's just a bit more
cumbersome. Restart the task and you're back to 0. If the sysadmin
wants to stop that, he'll renice your shell. In which case you login
again. And so on.

My point is that this is a problem (annoying user) which has better
solutions (ranging from a polite e-mail to deluser) because renice
won't stop him.

And it's not a *security* concern, as long as the lower values are
still reserved.

I would say the benefit is very small (I mean: who has ever relied on
it?) compared to the difficulties created for users.


> Peter

Joachim

       reply	other threads:[~2004-03-01  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.ftul5bl.nlk3pr@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.cvc8vnj.ahebjd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-03-01  9:18   ` Joachim B Haga [this message]
2004-03-01 10:18     ` Paul Wagland
2004-03-01 19:11       ` Mike Fedyk
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     [not found] ` <1vuMd-5jx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1vuMd-5jx-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1vuMd-5jx-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1vuMd-5jx-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <1vvyx-6jy-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <1vBE2-48V-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-03 21:38             ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <fa.fi4j08o.17nchps@ifi.uio.no.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <fa.ctat17m.8mqa3c@ifi.uio.no.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <yydjishqw10p.fsf@galizur.uio.no.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <40426E1C.8010806@aurema.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-03-03  2:48       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03  3:45         ` Peter Williams
2004-03-03 10:13           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-03 23:46             ` Peter Williams
2004-03-03 15:57           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-04  0:41             ` Peter Williams
2004-03-05  3:55               ` Andi Kleen
     [not found] <fa.jgj0bdi.b3u6qk@ifi.uio.no>
2004-03-01  1:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-03-01  2:54   ` Peter Williams
2004-03-01  3:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-03-01  4:18       ` Peter Williams
2004-03-02 23:36   ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <894006121@toto.iv>
2004-03-01  0:00 ` Peter Chubb
2004-03-02  1:25   ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <fa.fi4j08o.17nchps@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ctat17m.8mqa3c@ifi.uio.no>
2004-02-29 11:58   ` Joachim B Haga
2004-02-29 20:39     ` Paul Jackson
2004-02-29 22:56     ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <1t8wp-qF-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1th6J-az-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <403E2929.2080705@tmr.com>
2004-02-27  3:44     ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-28 21:27       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-28 23:55         ` Peter Williams
2004-03-04 21:08           ` Timothy Miller
     [not found] <1tfy0-7ly-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1thzJ-A5-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1tjrN-2m5-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1tjLa-2Ab-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1tlaf-3OY-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <1tljX-3Wf-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <1tznd-CP-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <1tzQe-10s-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-26 20:14               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-02-26  3:30 Albert Cahalan
2004-02-26  6:19 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 17:57   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-02-26 23:24     ` Peter Williams
2004-03-01  3:47       ` Peter Williams
     [not found] <fa.f12rt3d.c0s9rt@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ishajoq.q5g90m@ifi.uio.no>
2004-02-25 23:33   ` Junio C Hamano
2004-02-26  8:15     ` Catalin BOIE
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-25 14:35 John Lee
2004-02-25 17:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:12   ` John Lee
2004-02-26  0:31     ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26  2:04       ` John Lee
2004-02-26  2:18       ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26  2:42         ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26  4:10           ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26  4:19             ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 19:23               ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 19:46                 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 20:42                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 16:10           ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 19:47             ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-26 22:51             ` Peter Williams
2004-02-27 10:06               ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-27 11:04                 ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 16:08         ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-26 16:51           ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 20:15           ` Peter Williams
2004-02-27 14:46             ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-28  5:00               ` Peter Williams
2004-03-04 21:18         ` Robert White
2004-03-04 23:15           ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26  2:48       ` Nuno Silva
2004-02-26  4:25         ` Peter Williams
2004-02-26 15:57           ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26 19:28             ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-02-26 16:12         ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-25 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-26  3:14   ` John Lee
2004-02-25 23:45 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-26  7:18 ` John Lee

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