From: "Joseph D. Wagner" <wagnerjd@prodigy.net>
To: "'Shane Helms'" <shanehelms@eircom.net>,
"'Ed Vance'" <EdV@macrolink.com>,
"'jeff millar'" <wa1hco@adelphia.net>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: is KERNEL developement finished, yet ???
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:54:17 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <000901c29c5d$6d194760$2e833841@joe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200212051224.50317.shanehelms@eircom.net>
> if you're implying that we can start once
> again from bottom, and come up with something
> better that unix (which has been opensource,
> around for long while, tested and developed
> by many as well) I _HIGHLY_ doubt, and disagree.
Yes and no.
Unix (and Linux) developers are far too concerned with clinging to the
30-year-old outdated POSIX standard, which creates numerous problems when
trying to advance new features. For example, the POSIX standard is the
reason we have the three-by-three secure permissions on files (three users:
owner, group, everyone; three permissions: read, write, execute) instead of
Access Control Lists (ACL's).
This is not a design flaw per say, but let's face it: Unix would be a lot
more secure (and more flexible in it's security) with ACL's.
Microsoft Windows has had ACL's since 1991 (Windows NT 3.5?); that was 11
years ago. Linux is just now developing ACL's in some of the beta kernels.
(By "Linux" I mean the official Linux kernel as distributed by
www.kernel.org not these stupid add-on's and patches released by
third-parties)
> I doubt there be any such errors (mistakes) if ANY
I don't know of any mistakes per say, but if I had to do it over again,
there's about a thousands things I'd do differently (preference in design
choices, not mistakes) especially not to cling so religiously to POSIX
compliance.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-12-05 12:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-12-05 2:00 Ed Vance
2002-12-05 12:24 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-05 12:54 ` Joseph D. Wagner [this message]
2002-12-05 13:15 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-12-05 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-05 19:52 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-05 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-05 20:09 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? (ACLs) Tupshin Harper
2002-12-06 10:38 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-12-15 5:29 ` Tracy R Reed
2002-12-07 20:34 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Kai Henningsen
2002-12-05 18:09 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-05 17:47 ` yodaiken
2002-12-05 19:08 ` John Bradford
2002-12-06 6:15 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-06 6:30 ` John Alvord
2002-12-06 9:48 ` Alvaro Lopes
2002-12-07 20:43 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-07 20:39 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-09 14:08 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-12-10 0:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-05 14:33 ` Mikael Pettersson
[not found] <sdef301b.011@mail-01.med.umich.edu>
2002-12-05 16:36 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-06 3:29 ` Keith Adamson
[not found] <sdef2367.029@mail-02.med.umich.edu>
2002-12-05 15:17 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-05 15:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-05 15:44 ` Eric Weigle
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-05 14:58 Nicholas Berry
2002-12-03 13:03 cs driver SANTHOSH K
2002-12-04 15:26 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Shane Helms
2002-12-04 17:01 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-04 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-04 18:07 ` Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2002-12-04 18:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-04 18:39 ` Erik Andersen
2002-12-05 16:59 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-12-05 0:27 ` jeff millar
2002-12-05 23:55 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2002-12-06 0:24 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-06 3:00 ` jeff millar
2002-12-06 3:36 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-06 8:55 ` Helge Hafting
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