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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com>,
	John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Cc: hch@lst.de, kbusch@kernel.org, sagi@grimberg.me, axboe@fb.com,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com,
	james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, hare@suse.com,
	jmeneghi@redhat.com, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, michael.christie@oracle.com,
	snitzer@kernel.org, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/24] scsi-multipath: introduce basic SCSI device support
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 09:01:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <003612c1-ff07-466c-93e8-d7766a9ec2db@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aaZ0Kf9n79QF4gbR@redhat.com>

On 3/3/26 06:39, Benjamin Marzinski wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 11:39:28AM +0000, John Garry wrote:
>> On 02/03/2026 02:22, Benjamin Marzinski wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/scsi/Kconfig b/drivers/scsi/Kconfig
>>>> index 19d0884479a24..cfab7ad1e3c2c 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/scsi/Kconfig
>>>> +++ b/drivers/scsi/Kconfig
>>>> @@ -76,6 +76,16 @@ config SCSI_LIB_KUNIT_TEST
>>>>    	  If unsure say N.
>>>> +config SCSI_MULTIPATH
>>>> +	bool "SCSI multipath support"
>>> At least until this supports ALUA, it should probably be marked
>>> EXPERIMENTAL, just so people trying it out aren't surprised if it
>>> doesn't multipath their device in the way they expect.
>>
>> I think that ALUA support will be mainline acceptance criteria, and I am
>> looking to add it now.
>>
>> BTW, Hannes suggested to not use the DH ALUA support, so that means to
>> separate out the core ALUA support from the DH stuff. So you have any
>> opinion on that approach?
> 
> I would (perhaps naively) have thought that the device handlers would be
> a useful abstraction for dealing with ALUA devices. But, Hannes knows
> this code much better than me. like I said before, I'm no scsi expert.
> 
The main point of the device handlers was to inject a 'start' command
whenever paths needed to be switched (Like you need to do for some
active/passive arrays).
But that really caused quite some issues with complexity, as you easily
can get into array path ping-pong on path failure with no I/O being 
transmitted.

So for this implementation I would stick with implicit ALUA
(most modern implementations have done so already anyway), and
then there's no need using the device handlers.

Cheers,

Hannes
-- 
Dr. Hannes Reinecke                  Kernel Storage Architect
hare@suse.de                                +49 911 74053 688
SUSE Software Solutions GmbH, Frankenstr. 146, 90461 Nürnberg
HRB 36809 (AG Nürnberg), GF: I. Totev, A. McDonald, W. Knoblich

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-03  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-25 15:36 [PATCH 00/24] Native SCSI multipath support John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 01/24] scsi: core: add SCSI_MAX_QUEUE_DEPTH John Garry
2026-03-03  6:52   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-03-03  7:45     ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 02/24] scsi-multipath: introduce basic SCSI device support John Garry
2026-03-02  2:16   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 11:33     ` John Garry
2026-03-02  2:22   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 11:39     ` John Garry
2026-03-03  5:39       ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-03  8:01         ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2026-03-03 14:20           ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-05 15:59           ` John Garry
2026-03-03  6:57   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-03-03  7:45     ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 03/24] scsi-multipath: introduce scsi_device head structure John Garry
2026-03-02  2:50   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 12:00     ` John Garry
2026-03-03  7:13   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-03-03  7:50     ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 04/24] scsi-multipath: introduce scsi_mpath_device_class John Garry
2026-03-02  2:54   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 12:01     ` John Garry
2026-03-03  7:16   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-03-03 10:53     ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 05/24] scsi-multipath: provide sysfs link from to scsi_device John Garry
2026-03-03  7:19   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-03-03 10:49     ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 06/24] scsi-multipath: support iopolicy John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 07/24] scsi-multipath: clone each bio John Garry
2026-03-02  3:21   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 12:12     ` John Garry
2026-03-02 16:27       ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 17:16         ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 08/24] scsi-multipath: clear path when decide is blocked John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 09/24] scsi-multipath: failover handling John Garry
2026-03-02  3:57   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 12:20     ` John Garry
2026-03-04  5:46   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-04 11:11     ` John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 10/24] scsi-multipath: add scsi_mpath_{start,end}_request() John Garry
2026-03-02  4:08   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-02 12:20     ` John Garry
2026-03-04  6:13   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-04 11:11     ` John Garry
2026-03-05  2:37       ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 11/24] scsi-multipath: add scsi_mpath_ioctl() John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 12/24] scsi-multipath: provide callbacks for path state John Garry
2026-03-03  5:31   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 13/24] scsi-multipath: set disk device_groups John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 14/24] scsi-multipath: add PR support John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 15/24] scsi: sd: refactor PR ops John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 16/24] scsi: sd: add multipath disk class John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 17/24] scsi: sd: add sd_mpath_{start,end}_command() John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 18/24] scsi: sd: add sd_mpath_ioctl() John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 19/24] scsi: sd: add multipath PR support John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 20/24] scsi: sd: add sd_mpath_to_disk() John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 21/24] scsi: sd: support multipath disk John Garry
2026-03-10  2:40   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-03-10 10:12     ` John Garry
2026-03-10 15:19       ` Benjamin Marzinski
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 22/24] scsi: sd: add mpath_dev file John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 23/24] scsi: sd: add mpath_numa_nodes dev attribute John Garry
2026-02-25 15:36 ` [PATCH 24/24] scsi: sd: add mpath_queue_depth " John Garry

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