From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
mcgrof@kernel.org, hch@infradead.org, david@fromorbit.com,
rafael@kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org, pavel@kernel.org,
peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, will@kernel.org,
boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 10:21:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0104e4918cc9d1cd7e991699292cf3e7379b2291.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <zcxwcu2ty5fmkqt7dnpwdmohkp6pi7hfhltlxgpnx2xhsutgoc@gkixsx4map3o>
On Thu, 2025-03-27 at 19:20 +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Thu 27-03-25 10:06:13, James Bottomley wrote:
> > Introduce a freeze function, which iterates superblocks in reverse
> > order freezing filesystems. The indicator a filesystem is
> > freezable is either possessing a s_bdev or a freeze_super method.
> > So this can be used in efivarfs, whether the freeze is for
> > hibernate is also passed in via the new FREEZE_FOR_HIBERNATE flag.
> >
> > Thawing is done opposite to freezing (so superblock traversal in
> > regular order) and the whole thing is plumbed into power
> > management.
> > The original ksys_sync() is preserved so the whole freezing step is
> > optional (if it fails we're no worse off than we are today) so it
> > doesn't inhibit suspend/hibernate if there's a failure.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: James Bottomley
> > <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
>
> OK, I've seen you are setting the new FREEZE_FOR_HIBERNATE flag but I
> didn't find anything using that flag. What do you plan to use it for?
> Does you efivars usecase need it? I find passing down this detail
> about the caller down to all filesystems a bit awkward. Isn't it
> possible to extract the information "hibernate is ongoing" from PM
> subsystem?
That's right. I'm happy to post my patch below, but it depends on Al
accepting the simple_next_child() proposal, so it doesn't apply to any
tree.
> > +/*
> > + * Kernel freezing and thawing is only done in the power
> > management
> > + * subsystem and is thus single threaded (so we don't have to
> > worry
> > + * here about multiple calls to filesystems_freeze/thaw().
> > + */
> > +
> > +static int freeze_flags;
>
> Frankly, the global variable to propagate flags is pretty ugly... If
> we really have to propagate some context into the iterator callback,
> rather do it explicitly like iterate_supers() does it.
Christian said the same thing. I can do it, but if you look in the
power management subsystem, it relies on single threading and has a lot
of global variables like this, so I thought of this as a
simplification.
> > +static void filesystems_freeze_callback(struct super_block *sb)
> > +{
> > + /* errors don't fail suspend so ignore them */
> > + if (sb->s_op->freeze_super)
> > + sb->s_op->freeze_super(sb, FREEZE_MAY_NEST
> > + | FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL
> > + | freeze_flags);
> > + else if (sb->s_bdev)
> > + freeze_super(sb, FREEZE_MAY_NEST |
> > FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL
> > + | freeze_flags);
>
> Style nit - braces around above blocks would be IMHO appropriate.
>
> > + else {
> > + pr_info("Ignoring filesystem %s\n", sb->s_type-
> > >name);
> > + return;
> > + }
> > +
> > + pr_info("frozen %s, now syncing block ...", sb->s_type-
> > >name);
> > + sync_blockdev(sb->s_bdev);
> > + pr_info("done.");
> > +}
>
> Generally this callback is not safe because it can race with
> filesystem unmount and calling ->freeze_super() after the
> filesystem's ->put_super() was called may have all sorts of
> interesting effects (freeze_super() itself will just bail with a
> warning, which is better but not great either).
>
> The cleanest way I see how to make the iteration safe is to grab
> active sb reference (like grab_super() does it) for the duration of
> freeze_super() calls. Another possibility would be to grab sb-
> >s_umount rwsem exclusively as Luis does it in his series but that
> requires a bit of locking surgery and ->freeze_super() handlers make
> this particularly nasty these days so I think active sb reference is
> going to be nicer these days.
Before getting into the how of this, could you just confirm my
understanding of what the various locks do:
https://lore.kernel.org/cd5c3d8aab9c5fb37fa018cb3302ecf7d2bdb140.camel@HansenPartnership.com
Is correct?
Regards,
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-28 14:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-27 14:06 [RFC PATCH 0/4] vfs freeze/thaw on suspend/resume James Bottomley
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] locking/percpu-rwsem: add freezable alternative to down_read James Bottomley
2025-03-31 19:51 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:32 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 1:13 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-01 11:20 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 12:50 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 12:52 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 11:47 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] vfs: make sb_start_write freezable James Bottomley
2025-03-27 17:36 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] fs/super.c: introduce reverse superblock iterator and use it in emergency remount James Bottomley
2025-03-28 11:56 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:38 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 0/6] Extend freeze support to suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 18:58 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29 7:34 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` [PATCH 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 9:57 ` Jan Kara
2025-06-11 16:26 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-12 12:20 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 9:58 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:00 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:01 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:07 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:15 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:42 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 8:46 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:23 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:25 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 14:04 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " James Bottomley
2025-03-29 17:02 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-30 8:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 11:53 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 14:00 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 9:13 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:36 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 14:49 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42 ` [PATCH 0/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42 ` [PATCH 1/2] libfs: export find_next_child() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42 ` [PATCH 2/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 15:03 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 19:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 7:44 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:05 ` [PATCH 0/2] " Ard Biesheuvel
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 1/6] ext4: replace kthread freezing with auto fs freezing Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 9:16 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 9:35 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 10:08 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 2/6] btrfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 3/6] xfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 1:11 ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01 7:17 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 11:35 ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01 12:45 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: allow pagefault based writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 0:32 ` [PATCH 6/6] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 8:16 ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 9:32 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 13:03 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 16:57 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:56 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-03 19:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-04 10:24 ` [PATCH] fs: allow nesting with FREEZE_EXCL Christian Brauner
2025-04-07 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-07 11:18 ` Jan Kara
2025-05-09 10:38 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] fs: allow all writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 15:32 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 16:03 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 16:13 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:59 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 16:29 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] kernfs: add warning about implementing freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 15:00 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-20 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Askar Safin
2025-07-21 12:09 ` Jan Kara
2025-08-04 5:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-04 6:02 ` Askar Safin
2025-08-04 6:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-04-01 14:14 ` [PATCH 0/6] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 14:40 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 14:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 17:02 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 7:46 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-08 15:43 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:09 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:20 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:26 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:24 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-09 7:17 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management James Bottomley
2025-03-27 18:20 ` Jan Kara
2025-03-28 14:21 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2025-03-28 14:36 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 10:08 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:14 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 15:52 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15 ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29 8:23 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:01 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:40 ` James Bottomley
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