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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 mcgrof@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, hch@infradead.org,
	david@fromorbit.com,  rafael@kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org,
	pavel@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,  mingo@redhat.com,
	will@kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 10:14:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cd5c3d8aab9c5fb37fa018cb3302ecf7d2bdb140.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250328-luxus-zinspolitik-835cc75fbad5@brauner>

On Fri, 2025-03-28 at 11:08 +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:06:13AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
[...]
> > +
> > +static void filesystems_freeze_callback(struct super_block *sb)
> > +{
> > +	/* errors don't fail suspend so ignore them */
> > +	if (sb->s_op->freeze_super)
> > +		sb->s_op->freeze_super(sb, FREEZE_MAY_NEST
> > +				       | FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL
> > +				       | freeze_flags);
> > +	else if (sb->s_bdev)
> > +		freeze_super(sb, FREEZE_MAY_NEST |
> > FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL
> > +			     | freeze_flags);
> > +	else {
> > +		pr_info("Ignoring filesystem %s\n", sb->s_type-
> > >name);
> > +		return;
> > +	}
> > +
> > +	pr_info("frozen %s, now syncing block ...", sb->s_type-
> > >name);
> > +	sync_blockdev(sb->s_bdev);
> > +	pr_info("done.");
> > +}
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * filesystems_freeze - freeze callback for power management
> > + *
> > + * Freeze all active filesystems (in reverse superblock order)
> > + */
> > +void filesystems_freeze(bool for_hibernate)
> > +{
> > +	freeze_flags = for_hibernate ? FREEZE_FOR_HIBERNATE : 0;
> > +	__iterate_supers_rev(filesystems_freeze_callback);
> > +}
> > +
> > +static void filesystems_thaw_callback(struct super_block *sb)
> > +{
> > +	if (sb->s_op->thaw_super)
> > +		sb->s_op->thaw_super(sb, FREEZE_MAY_NEST
> > +				     | FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL
> > +				     | freeze_flags);
> > +	else if (sb->s_bdev)
> > +		thaw_super(sb,	FREEZE_MAY_NEST |
> > FREEZE_HOLDER_KERNEL
> > +			   | freeze_flags);
> > +}
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * filesystems_thaw - thaw callback for power management
> > + *
> > + * Thaw all active filesystems (in forward superblock order)
> > + */
> > +void filesystems_thaw(bool for_hibernate)
> > +{
> > +	freeze_flags = for_hibernate ? FREEZE_FOR_HIBERNATE : 0;
> > +	__iterate_supers(filesystems_thaw_callback);
> 
> This doesn't work and I've explained in my reply to Luis how this
> doesn't work and what the alternative are:
> 
> A concurrent umount() can wipe the filesystem behind your back. So
> you either need an active superblock reference or you need to
> communicate that the superblock is locked through the new flag I
> proposed (naming irrelevant for now).

Since this is a hybrid thread between power management and VFS, could I
just summarize what I think the various superblock locks are before
discussing the actual problem (important because the previous threads
always gave the impression of petering out for fear of vfs locking).

s_count: outermost of the superblock locks refcounting the superblock
structure itself, making no guarantee that any of the underlying
filesystem superblock structures are attached (i.e. kill_sb() may have
been called).  Taken by incrementing under the global sb_lock and
decremented using a put_super() variant.

s_active: an atomic reference counting the underlying filesystem
specific superblock structures.  if you hold s_active, kill_sb cannot
be called.  Acquired by atomic_inc_not_zero() with a possible failure
if it is zero and released by deactivate_super() and its variants.

s_umount: rwsem and innermost of the superblock locks. Used to protect
various operations from races.  Taken exclusively with down_write and
shared with down_read. Private functions internal to super.c wrap this
with grab_super and super_lock_shared/excl() wrappers.

The explicit freeze/thaw_super() functions require the s_umount rwsem
in down_write or exclusive mode and take it as the first step in their
operation.  Looking at the locking in fs_bdev_freeze/thaw() implies
that the super_operations freeze_super/thaw_super *don't* need this
taken (presumably they handle it internally).

Regards,

James


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-28 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-27 14:06 [RFC PATCH 0/4] vfs freeze/thaw on suspend/resume James Bottomley
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] locking/percpu-rwsem: add freezable alternative to down_read James Bottomley
2025-03-31 19:51   ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:32     ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  1:13       ` James Bottomley
2025-04-01 11:20         ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 12:50           ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 12:52           ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 11:47             ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] vfs: make sb_start_write freezable James Bottomley
2025-03-27 17:36   ` Jan Kara
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] fs/super.c: introduce reverse superblock iterator and use it in emergency remount James Bottomley
2025-03-28 11:56   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:38     ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 16:15     ` [PATCH 0/6] Extend freeze support to suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 18:58         ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29  7:34           ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15       ` [PATCH 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42       ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 1/6] super: remove pointless s_root checks Christian Brauner
2025-03-31  9:57           ` Jan Kara
2025-06-11 16:26           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-06-12 12:20             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 2/6] super: simplify user_get_super() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31  9:58           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 3/6] super: skip dying superblocks early Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:00           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 4/6] super: use a common iterator (Part 1) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:01           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 5/6] super: use common iterator (Part 2) Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:07           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:15             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:42         ` [PATCH v2 6/6] super: add filesystem freezing helpers for suspend and hibernate Christian Brauner
2025-03-29  8:46           ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:23           ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 10:25             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-29 14:04         ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Extend freeze support to " James Bottomley
2025-03-29 17:02           ` James Bottomley
2025-03-30  8:33             ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 11:53               ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-30 14:00               ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31  9:13                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 10:36             ` Jan Kara
2025-03-31 14:49               ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 23:33               ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42         ` [PATCH 0/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42           ` [PATCH 1/2] libfs: export find_next_child() Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 12:42           ` [PATCH 2/2] efivarfs: support freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:46             ` James Bottomley
2025-03-31 15:03               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 19:31             ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02  7:44               ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-31 14:05           ` [PATCH 0/2] " Ard Biesheuvel
2025-04-01  0:32           ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 1/6] ext4: replace kthread freezing with auto fs freezing Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  9:16               ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01  9:35                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 10:08                   ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 2/6] btrfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 3/6] xfs: " Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  1:11               ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01  7:17                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 11:35                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-01 12:45                     ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: allow pagefault based writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  0:32             ` [PATCH 6/6] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  8:16             ` [PATCH 0/6] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-01  9:32             ` Jan Kara
2025-04-01 13:03               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 16:57                 ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07                   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 1/4] fs: add owner of freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:56                       ` Jan Kara
2025-04-03 19:33                         ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-04 10:24                         ` [PATCH] fs: allow nesting with FREEZE_EXCL Christian Brauner
2025-04-07  9:08                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-07 11:18                           ` Jan Kara
2025-05-09 10:38                             ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 2/4] fs: allow all writers to be frozen Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 15:32                       ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-02 16:03                         ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02 16:13                           ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 14:59                       ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 3/4] power: freeze filesystems during suspend/resume Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 16:29                       ` Jan Kara
2025-04-02 14:07                     ` [PATCH v2 4/4] kernfs: add warning about implementing freeze/thaw Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 15:00                       ` Jan Kara
2025-07-20 19:23                     ` [PATCH v2 0/4] power: wire-up filesystem freeze/thaw with suspend/resume Askar Safin
2025-07-21 12:09                       ` Jan Kara
2025-08-04  5:31                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-04  6:02                           ` Askar Safin
2025-08-04  6:51                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-04-01 14:14             ` [PATCH 0/6] " Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 14:40               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-01 14:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-01 17:02             ` James Bottomley
2025-04-02  7:46               ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-08 15:43                 ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:09                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:20                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-04-08 17:26                       ` James Bottomley
2025-04-08 17:24                     ` James Bottomley
2025-04-09  7:17                   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-27 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] vfs: add filesystem freeze/thaw callbacks for power management James Bottomley
2025-03-27 18:20   ` Jan Kara
2025-03-28 14:21     ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 14:36       ` James Bottomley
2025-03-28 10:08   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:14     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2025-03-28 15:52       ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 16:15         ` James Bottomley
2025-03-29  8:23           ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 12:01   ` Christian Brauner
2025-03-28 14:40     ` James Bottomley

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