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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: paulmck@kernel.org, Sandeep Dhavale <dhavale@google.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <quic_neeraju@quicinc.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	AngeloGioacchino Del Regno 
	<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
	linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, xiang@kernel.org,
	Will Shiu <Will.Shiu@mediatek.com>,
	kernel-team@android.com, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] rcu: Fix and improve RCU read lock checks when !CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCK_ALLOC
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:16:52 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <058e7ee9-0380-eb1b-d9a8-b184cba6ed53@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d433fac-a62d-4e81-b8e5-57cf5f2d1d55@paulmck-laptop>



On 2023/7/14 10:16, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 09:33:35AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 11:33:24AM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:

...

>>>
>>> >From what Sandeep described, the code path is in an RCU reader. My
>>> question is more, why doesn't it use SRCU instead since it clearly
>>> does so if BLK_MQ_F_BLOCKING. What are the tradeoffs? IMHO, a deeper
>>> dive needs to be made into that before concluding that the fix is to
>>> use rcu_read_lock_any_held().
>>
>> How can this be solved?
>>
>> 1.	Always use a workqueue.  Simple, but is said to have performance
>> 	issues.
>>
>> 2.	Pass a flag in that indicates whether or not the caller is in an
>> 	RCU read-side critical section.  Conceptually simple, but might
>> 	or might not be reasonable to actually implement in the code as
>> 	it exists now.	(You tell me!)
>>
>> 3.	Create a function in z_erofs that gives you a decent
>> 	approximation, maybe something like the following.
>>
>> 4.	Other ideas here.
> 
> 5.	#3 plus make the corresponding Kconfig option select
> 	PREEMPT_COUNT, assuming that any users needing compression in
> 	non-preemptible kernels are OK with PREEMPT_COUNT being set.
> 	(Some users of non-preemptible kernels object strenuously
> 	to the added overhead from CONFIG_PREEMPT_COUNT=y.)

I'm not sure if it's a good idea, we need to work on
CONFIG_PREEMPT_COUNT=n (why not?), we could just always trigger a
workqueue for this.

Anyway, before we proceed, I also think it'd be better to get some
performance numbers first for this (e.g. with dm-verity) and record
the numbers in the commit message to justify this.  Otherwise, I guess
the same question will be raised again and again.

Thanks,
Gao Xiang

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-14  3:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-11 23:38 Sandeep Dhavale
2023-07-12 17:02 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-07-12 21:20   ` Sandeep Dhavale
2023-07-13  0:32     ` Joel Fernandes
2023-07-13  2:02       ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-13  2:10         ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-13  2:16         ` Joel Fernandes
2023-07-13  4:27         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13  4:41           ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-13  4:52             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13  4:59               ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-13 14:07                 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-07-13 14:34                   ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-13 15:33                     ` Joel Fernandes
2023-07-13 16:09                       ` Alan Huang
2023-07-13 18:14                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13 19:00                           ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-13 22:27                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13 16:33                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13 17:05                         ` Sandeep Dhavale
2023-07-13 17:35                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13 18:51                             ` Sandeep Dhavale
2023-07-13 22:49                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13 23:08                                 ` Sandeep Dhavale
2023-07-13 23:28                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-14  2:16                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-14  3:16                           ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2023-07-14 13:42                             ` Joel Fernandes
2023-07-14 13:51                               ` Gao Xiang
2023-07-14 14:56                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-07-14 15:13                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-14 15:35                           ` Alan Huang
2023-07-14 15:54                             ` Alan Huang
2023-07-14 17:02                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-14 18:40                                 ` Alan Huang
2023-07-14 18:44                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-14 19:15                                     ` Sandeep Dhavale
2023-07-14 19:36                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-13  4:51           ` Gao Xiang

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