From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Wangyang Guo <wangyang.guo@intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
Benjamin Lei <benjamin.lei@intel.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Tianyou Li <tianyou.li@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] sched/clock: Avoid false sharing for sched_clock_irqtime
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 10:21:49 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b625352-f0e0-49c6-83a2-a69250c6caeb@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtD7sDKL5hB-xBW6VJex3zWJkuBKoiVc9Fox14rwCtqWFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hello Vincent,
On 1/22/2026 4:06 PM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>> or unstable clock need another workqueue for disabling sched_clock_irqtime
>>
>> Ack! We'll likely need a second workqueue and call it early in
>> __clear_sched_clock_stable().
>>
>> AFAICT, PA-RISC already suffers from this since it marks
>> sched_clock_unstable() on SMP but since it uses the generic sched_clock,
>> on a >= 1MHz processor, it enabled irqtime anyways and nothing disables
>> it later (unlike TSC, the clocksource doesn't have a "mark_unstable"
>> callback).
>
>>
>> If we can delay enabling the irqtime accounting until we do
>> __set_sched_clock_stable() for CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK (I have
>> no clue if this is acceptable of not), then we can move the enabling /
>> disabling of irqtime to the same spots as when we flip
>> __sched_clock_stable.
>
> Do you mean to delay the enabling/disabling of irqtime accounting in
> sched_clock_init_late for CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK case ?
Yup!
>
> I don't have system with unstable clock so I'm not the best to answer
> but if irqtime accounting is not compatible with unstable clock it
> should be enabled at the same time as the clock is marked stable
Here are logs from my system with stable TSC highlighting the flow:
[ 0.000000] tsc: Fast TSC calibration using PIT
[ 0.000000] tsc: Detected 1996.299 MHz processor
# native_sched_clock() stats using TSC from jiffies
# Once we hit sched_clock_init() we'll start using
# local_clock_noinstr which uses tsc.
[ 6.497022] clocksource: tsc-early: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x398d0c7513b, max_idle_ns: 881590744042 ns
[ 6.507546] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 3992.59 BogoMIPS (lpj=7985196)
# tsc-early is registered
[ 10.455611] clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc-early
# Clocksource has switched to tsc-early
[ 13.863291] tsc: Refined TSC clocksource calibration: 1996.250 MHz
[ 13.869689] clocksource: tsc: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x398caf77d7a, max_idle_ns: 881590459467 ns
[ 13.880722] clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc
# Full tsc switch now that HPET is registered and the granularity
# of TSC calibration can be found more precisely
[ 15.382498] sched_clock: Marking stable (15304347096, 75265818)->(17063112601, -1683499687)
# sched-clock is finally marked stable at sched_clock_init_late()
# __sched_clock_offset is calculated and __sched_clock_stable is flipped
If TSC / any potentially unstable clock is marked unstable before
sched_clock_init_late(), we never flip __sched_clock_stable.
On x86 side, since we already start using TSC for native_sched_clock()
super early, we have defensive measures (and a __use_tsc static key on
the x86 side too) to switch the sched clock back to jiffies if we
realise TSC was unstable before we hit sched_clock_init_late().
This is necessary since post the sched_clock_init(),
"sched_clock_running" is true and the local clocks will always uses
sched_clock_noinstr() and it must be switch to jiffies on the x86 side
since arch defines it.
--
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-23 4:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-16 2:39 Wangyang Guo
2026-01-16 9:43 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-16 10:22 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-01-16 14:22 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-16 16:41 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-01-19 4:13 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-22 10:36 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-01-23 4:51 ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-01-23 15:58 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-01-23 16:48 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-26 2:25 ` Guo, Wangyang
2026-01-16 16:58 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-26 2:28 ` Guo, Wangyang
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