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From: Terje Eggestad <terje.eggestad@scali.com>
To: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Liam Girdwood <l_girdwood@bitwise.co.uk>,
	BALBIR SINGH <balbir.singh@wipro.com>,
	William Olaf Fraczyk <olaf@navi.pl>,
	Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Subject: Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?
Date: 16 Apr 2002 15:35:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1018964120.13527.37.camel@pc-16.office.scali.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020416100148.GA17560@venus.local.navi.pl>


I seem to recall from theory that the 100HZ is human dependent. Any
higher and you would begin to notice delays from you input until
whatever program you're talking to responds. 

However in order to actually notice it you must have other programs
running that uses close to 100% CPU *AT LEAST AT THE SAME OR HIGHER
PRIORITY*. To test this, just running a couple of shells/script with
while [true;] won't slow you down until you aggressively renice the
shells/script.

THus: Setting it higher *may* improve your latency if you've other CPU
intensive task going. Setting it lower will only be a boon if you have
so many active processes that the kernel spend more than negligible time
scheduling, thus you spend fewer cycles scheduling per sec. I don't know
that *so many* is with a 1 GHz CPU is but it's very likely to be > 10.
The O(1) scheduler in progress will push that even higher.   

TJ

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 12:01, Olaf Fraczyk wrote:
> On 2002.04.16 12:29 Liam Girdwood wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 09:18, BALBIR SINGH wrote:
> > > I remember seeing somewhere unix system VII used to have HZ set to
> > 60
> > > for the machines built in the 70's. I wonder if todays pentium iiis
> > and ivs
> > > should still use HZ of 100, though their internal clock is in GHz.
> > >
> > > I think somethings in the kernel may be tuned for the value of HZ,
> > these
> > > things would be arch specific.
> > >
> > > Increasing the HZ on your system should change the scheduling
> > behaviour,
> > > it could lead to more aggresive scheduling and could affect the
> > > behaviour of the VM subsystem if scheduling happens more frequently.
> > I am
> > > just guessing, I do not know.
> > >
> > 
> > I remember reading that a higher HZ value will make your machine more
> > responsive, but will also mean that each running process will have a
> > smaller CPU time slice and that the kernel will spend more CPU time
> > scheduling at the expense of processes.
> > 
> Has anyone measured this?
> This shouldn't be a big problem, because some architectures use value 
> 1024, eg. Alpha, ia-64.
> And todays Intel/AMD 32-bit processors are as fast as Alpha was 1-2 
> years ago.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Olaf
> 
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-16 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-16  7:47 Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16  8:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-04-16  8:18   ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-04-16 10:29     ` Liam Girdwood
2002-04-16 10:01       ` Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 13:35         ` Terje Eggestad [this message]
2002-04-16 13:38           ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:55             ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 15:32             ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-16 16:12               ` Chris Friesen
2002-04-16 17:12               ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:58           ` Alan Cox
2002-04-17  0:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-04-16 16:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-16 16:50           ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 17:18             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-16 17:52               ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 18:10                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  0:49               ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17  0:57                 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17  1:07                   ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  5:18                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-17  5:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-17  6:01                       ` Robert Love
2002-04-17  6:17                         ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17  7:59                         ` arjan
2002-04-17  8:04                         ` Matti Aarnio
2002-04-23 22:42                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-17 10:12                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-18  1:51                   ` Dan Mann
2002-04-17  1:22                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  3:19                 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-17  7:55                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-21 18:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-22 17:20                   ` John Alvord
2002-04-22 21:52                     ` george anzinger
2002-04-22 23:06                       ` J.D. Bakker
2002-04-22 23:26                       ` Anton Blanchard
2002-04-23 19:03                         ` george anzinger
2002-04-23  7:08                       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-22 17:24                   ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 12:42     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 12:31   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 14:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-16 21:34 ` bert hubert
2002-04-16 22:21   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-16 22:37     ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-16 22:56       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-17  0:34         ` J. Dow
2002-04-17  2:40         ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-17 12:44       ` Kent Borg
2002-04-17  8:28     ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was " bert hubert
2002-04-17 11:05       ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches Tim Schmielau
2002-04-17 11:12         ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 12:33           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 12:42             ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 14:57               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 11:09       ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Wakko Warner
2002-04-16 10:41 Cabaniols, Sebastien
2002-04-17  0:33 Chen, Kenneth W
2002-04-17  1:02 ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <3CC4861C.F21859A6@mvista.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <E16zuPf-0007yD-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-23  7:17   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-23 19:09     ` george anzinger
2002-04-24  1:42       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-24 20:20         ` george anzinger
2002-04-27 20:26           ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28  6:02             ` george anzinger
2002-04-28  9:12               ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 17:34                 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 18:59                   ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 21:50                     ` george anzinger
2002-04-29  0:14                       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-23 19:24     ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 19:35       ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-24 17:25         ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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